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  1. #11
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    No you cannot get banned, in fact depending on the way you are being told, chances are they are violating terms.

    It is prohibited to force personal views or disregard the opinions of others. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

    It is prohibited to make statements such as:
    "There's no way we can clear this with [suggestion]."
    "Big pulls are normal here, so do it!"
    "I don't care what you think, just follow my instructions."
    "I'm not asking for your opinion."
    They might be referring to the following but you'd have to be like intentionally shirking onto non tanks or such. If you are really paranoid about it just turn it off when you see yourself gaining aggro.

    ・Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior
    Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well.
    Key Points
    Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately.

    For example, the following types of situations fall under the act of giving an advantage to the enemy (or the opposing team/players in PvP content):
    "I don't want to heal because there is a player I don't like in the group."
    "I don't think we can clear this anyway, so I'll just get hit by the enemy attack and go AFK after I'm knocked out."
    "I'm going to join the opposing team as a healer and do nothing so my friends on the other team can win the PvP content."
    If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

    Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act has been confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means.
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    Last edited by NaoSen; 04-19-2025 at 01:32 AM.

  2. #12
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    It's definitely bait
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  3. #13
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    Yunao Arun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    MPK is "Mass player killing", which is SE's terminology for intentionally wiping the group or deliberately letting a wipe happen. Using Provoke while your stance isn't on will automatically put you second on threat, so you can just do that periodically if you have a free oGCD window. There are some fights, like Ozma and Cid, where you need to have your stance on because the boss targets the top 3 on threat, but in most cases it's not something you need to worry about.
    I never knew that using provoke when not having tank stance on won't steal aggro from main tank when i always though that using provoke always makes boss aggro me even not having tank stance on and i always used provoke in certain situations like when i take over the boss aggro when main tank dies (in this situations i always turn tank stance on) and using it to get full aggro of the single enemy instanly if dps ended up stealing the aggro of the enemy from me before i able to get aggro of the enemy with other skills.

    I always use tank stance in alliance raid boss fights where the boss attacks at 3 players with highest emnity but when the boss only attack 1 player with highest emnity, that is the when i turn tank stance off but doing this seems to cause some players get really mad at me and it really made me fear getting banned for not having tank stance always on even it's not needed in boss fight.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    You won't if it's not required.

    If no other tank uses it or your specific party has an add it is meant to fight, and you don't tank it, it's possible someone may report it as griefing.

    Personally, I keep stance on always. I do not use Provoke. May the best dps tank win - that's my mentality.
    If no other tank uses tank stance then of course in that situations i turn tank stance on and work as main tank.

    This "may the best dps tank win" is what i always try to avoid when i'm not a main tank because i simply unable to keep track of location of the main tank to make sure keep boss facing same direction where the main tank is.

    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    Shirk is useful for aggro control, though it doesn't work across parities so you can't use it in alliance. If you find yourself in a similar situation in a trial or normal raid, it's helpful to remember it. Tank Stance is an OGCD at least so you can flip it on/off as needed. If you're not the main tank leave it off for the pull until you get through burst and then turn it on. If you see yourself climbing in enmity, turn it back off for a while.
    I very rarely used shrik when i found it have little use in normal allaince raids and normal raids.

    When i'm not a main tank, i always have tank stance off and i always turn tank stance on when needed but this is what seems to make some players really mad at me and start spam in chat to turn tank stance on even if the boss fight don't need have all 3 tanks having tank stance on.

    So my only option now is stop playing as tank forever when i really don't want get banned if other players start to report me for not having tank stance always on when i'm not a main tank.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000 View Post
    I never knew that using provoke when not having tank stance on won't steal aggro from main tank when i always though that using provoke always makes boss aggro me even not having tank stance on
    It'll steal it for the briefest of moments, such as until they do an auto attack or another GCD. Tank stance has a lot more enmity than it used to in the past, but on the other end of that, Provoke adds enmity as well and isn't just +1 above the Main Target anymore. If you don't want to steal it but need to provoke, usually you would Provoke then immediately Shirk.
    when the boss only attack 1 player with highest emnity, that is the when i turn tank stance off but doing this seems to cause some players get really mad at me and it really made me fear getting banned for not having tank stance always on even it's not needed in boss fight.
    If it's not needed you can ignore those players. If you know what you are doing and are ready to Stance+Provoke in the event the other tank dies, then you should be a confident tank and ignore the other players.

    It is worth considering if those players may be right (such as you needing stance for another reason, such as adds, or maybe it does target top enmity for certain attacks you are unaware of). But if you are absolutely confident these things are not the case, then don't let the other players tell you what to do.

    I've played for 10 years so I would never do what someone tells me to do in normal content. I know what I'm doing and will do what I know needs to be done and that's really it. Relatively speaking, almost everyone is a new player compared to me, from my perspective, so they know less than me.
    This "may the best dps tank win" is what i always try to avoid when i'm not a main tank because i simply unable to keep track of location of the main tank to make sure keep boss facing same direction where the main tank is.
    I find that rather easy because the boss is facing where the Main Tank is, usually. I stand at the location that will prevent the boss from spinning. For example, if the boss keeps rotating south to cast mechanics, at a certain point it makes sense to just literally tank it south. Problem is when the other tanks don't consider that and let it keep spinning after the casts. We had a lot of bosses in Endwalker that kept rotating south to cast things - very frustrating.
    So my only option now is stop playing as tank forever when i really don't want get banned if other players start to report me for not having tank stance always on when i'm not a main tank.
    Like I said, if you're confident that what you are doing is correct, then don't worry about being reported. Ignore them. They can't report you successfully if what you are doing is a non-issue and correct.
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  5. #15
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    Both short and long answer is no, you will not, in fact tanks should keep it on.
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  6. #16
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    Just turn it on.

    You're queuing as a tank, use your full kit, including your stance.
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    The only time I've seen people yell at tanks for having stance off in Normal and Alliance Raids is when none of the tanks have it on.
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000 View Post
    Will i get banned for not using tank stance all the time in boss fights in alliance raids and raids?

    When for some reason some players gets really mad at me for not using tank stance on boss fights in alliance raids when i don't want steal aggro of the boss constantly from the other tank who aggro the boss first.

    So now i will NEVER play as tank when i fully fear getting banned for not using tank stance all the time in boss fights in allaince raids and raids.
    Ok, so I very much doubt you'd ever be banned for not using tank stance in the first place as a mistake, I've gone into dungeons and forgot stance never been banned lol. If a dps or healer accidently get aggro it's fine you aren't going to banned for that, the only case is if your intentionally trolling by refusing to turn it on when asked when no one else is tanking.

    In alliance raids if you queue for tank you should be willing to turn on stance you can actually check who has stance by clicking on them as tank or even just asking using alliance chat. As tank you shouldn't assume you will be OT, obviously in a lot of cases you will be, but you will always have a chance of having to be MT, personally I default MT until I see the other tank (or two) wanting to be MT.

    Lastly some fights you will want to turn stance on for adds as typically if your not main tank you wanna grab the adds and aggro them, or if theirs more then one boss you split the attention.
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    Last edited by Rithy255; 04-19-2025 at 08:56 AM.

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    Ok, so I very much doubt you'd ever be banned for not using tank stance in the first place as a mistake, I've gone into dungeons and forgot stance never been banned lol. If a dps or healer accidently get aggro it's fine you aren't going to banned for that, the only case is if your intentionally trolling by refusing to turn it on when asked when no one else is tanking.

    In alliance raids if you queue for tank you should be willing to turn on stance you can actually check who has stance by clicking on them as tank or even just asking using alliance chat. As tank you shouldn't assume you will be OT, obviously in a lot of cases you will be, but you will always have a chance of having to be MT, personally I default MT until I see the other tank (or two) wanting to be MT.

    Lastly some fights you will want to turn stance on for adds as typically if your not main tank you wanna grab the adds and aggro them, or if theirs more then one boss you split the attention.
    In allaince raids i always turn tank stance on but when other tank takes the aggro first, then i turn tank stance off if the boss only attack single target with highest emnity.

    When add phase start, i always turn tank stance on and aggro them.

    But thing is, turning tank stance on when needed in allaince raid while i'm not a main tank is what caused some people get really mad at me.
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  10. #20
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    It's a bit harder to tell how much aggro you have in alliance raids if you're not the main tank, but from what I remember the color next to the boss's name should change to give you some sort of indication. It goes from blue, to yellow, to orange to red.
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