M6s in PF is the most miserable and unfun high end fight in the game

[Hanzz96]

I know that I'll get a lot of hate for this post because a lot of people love the fight but I really think most of them have statics.

Adds in Party Finder is an absoutley miserable experience and I cannot believe this was the intended tuning. I'm a DNC who is fully pentamelded with my tome pieces for each week so this isn't a gear issue or anything like that.

I have progged multiple Ultimates in PF (FRU, TEA, DSR) and M6s has taken me longer than TEA so far and I've been stuck on 2% enrage for days. Melee won't single target the Manta or the Jabba going for all the cleave or when they do they forget the Mu's which then explode. Healers won't hit the cat while ranged are baiting and hitting their rays and guess what? "MEOW YOU'VE DONE IT!" Tanks die due to lack of healing and running out of mitigation and in 740 gear the demon Yan's just murder without some healer TLC.

The dps check is beyond reach for a lot of pug groups progging right now (going in with a single weakness is a wipe) and consistent people are getting burnt out because party after party they are stuck with people who meme adds. Which is especially maddening when they themselves are clean and do their part correctly.

I don't think the aim was to create a fight that is almost undoable in Party Finder. I have friends who have spent days trying to reclear after getting lucky week 1 and having no luck.

Overall this fight is great once again if you have a static. But if not it's so horrible that I'm getting burnt out already. FRU was easier to PF and that was notorious for being a mess to pug because of inconsistency


Please Square when considering fight design think of the average PF player since not everyone can static.

Even for someone like myself who has cleared 3 ultimates and 4 savage tiers this fight is the most awful experience I've ever had in PF. It's not fun at all. It's overtunned for min ilvl.

Once again I know I'll get hate but I'm so frustrated.

P.S. Just want to add that I'm all for interesting mechanics and hard dps checks. I love the tuning of M5s and think FRU should have had a harder dps check but this isn't doable with 8 people with 0 communication and various skill levels.

[brinn12]

I'd like to agree with you, as I truly believe PF has many issues. But the fight has already been cleared with 4 MCHs, which is about 15–20% behind DNC in add DPS. At the end of the day, it’s still a second-floor fight with a minimum item level that's lower than crafted gear. You’re not likely to see good players still progging it by week 3. It was already a tough task in week 1, since M5S is an easy fight and pretty forgiving of mistakes.

[Hanzz96]

Which I 100% understand but the requirment to not be hard gated by a fight shouldn't be to no life week one before the inexperienced (nicest description) players come in and make it next to impossible. Not everyone can do week one or people just have lives.

The all MCH's who cleared...organised static. Like I said I don't think the fight is tuned for the "average" PF player.

[brinn12]

Which I 100% understand but the requirment to not be hard gated by a fight shouldn't be to no life week one before the inexperienced (nicest description) players come in and make it next to impossible. Not everyone can do week one or people just have lives.

The all MCH's who cleared...organised static. Like I said I don't think the fight is tuned for the "average" PF player.

This is early Savage PF in a nutshell. The reason it's worse now is the fact that some of the frequent mistakes in M6S do not cause any death or damage down immediately. It's also possible to carry someone through adds. M6 PF is a complete gamble, and you're playing with the right cards by picking DNC. It just really sucks for week 3. The best solution is to look for 0 chest parties, or try to create one.

[Reimmi]

Which I 100% understand but the requirment to not be hard gated by a fight shouldn't be to no life week one before the inexperienced (nicest description) players come in and make it next to impossible. Not everyone can do week one or people just have lives.

The all MCH's who cleared...organised static. Like I said I don't think the fight is tuned for the "average" PF player.

PF not being able to clear a fight week 2 is fine
you'll get stronger every week with tomestone gear which will make the dps check non existent for even bad groups

[Hanzz96]

PF not being able to clear a fight week 2 is fine
you'll get stronger every week with tomestone gear which will make the dps check non existent for even bad groups

True but good people in PF shouldn't be gated for weeks on end because a fight is designed seemingly only for statics or PF with week 7 gear. It makes good players who can't static and don't have 12 hours a day to PF week 1 want to unsubscribe. I kinda do right now. 2% for days now is killing me. I spent 10 hours progging TEA to clear and 15 hours doing this. TEA was fun even in PF. This blows.

[Atreides]

I agree, this has been my worst raiding experience in over 11 years. Players with statics often don’t realize just how rough this tier is for those outside that environment. I know several people in Party Finder who took the first week off and managed to clear the tier faster than the time we’re still putting in now.

If you can’t take time off to grind all day in week one, you're at a huge disadvantage this tier — even more so than in previous ones. I even swapped from MCH to DNC for this fight because MCH just feels like griefing in P6S PF.

Maybe by week 7 PF will have an easier time and the DPS check won’t be as punishing, but for that to be the bar for turn 2 of a raid tier? That’s wild. I’d like to keep progging at my bridge phase, but it’s near impossible with all the "prog liars" who are still stuck at adds and trying to brute force their way past.

The issue is surving is not enough either, you will never see the whole fight and know all the mechanics to join a kill party because you'll always be just at the add phase. It’s just rough all around and absolutely NOT a fun experience.

My usual way to get through that kind of wall was to join clear parties by DMing the party leader, as long as I was confident I could clear because I’d already seen the whole fight. But this time around? I haven’t been able to consistently reach anything past the add phase, and since I don’t "prog lie," that approach just isn’t viable for me right now.

[AvoSturmfaust]

M6S is one of the best fights we had for so long, after the last Shitshow aka M1-M4 maybe people now wake up and try to improve because you cant blame the fight, blame the people which are refusing to learn how to proper prio a target, play a proper aoe rotation etc etc etc

[Atreides]

M6S is one of the best fights we had for so long, after the last Shitshow aka M1-M4 maybe people now wake up and try to improve because you cant blame the fight, blame the people which are refusing to learn how to proper prio a target, play a proper aoe rotation etc etc etc

Last tier honestly felt like a joke by comparison. DPS checks were basically non-existent, just do the mechanics somewhat correctly and you’d clear. The fights felt more like extreme trials than savage. Hands down the easiest raid tier we’ve had since Alexander: Creator. I cleared it in week two with barely any time invested in PF. I’ve already spent more time on M6S alone than I did on that entire tier, and yet people still can’t consistently get past adds. At this point, your only real options are to get giga lucky, join clear parties or beg a static to get you through it. Or try again in week 7 when people have the normal weapons.

[AvoSturmfaust]

Last tier honestly felt like a joke by comparison. DPS checks were basically non-existent, just do the mechanics somewhat correctly and you’d clear. The fights felt more like extreme trials than savage. Hands down the easiest raid tier we’ve had since Alexander: Creator. I cleared it in week two with barely any time invested in PF. I’ve already spent more time on M6S alone than I did on that entire tier, and yet people still can’t consistently get past adds. At this point, your only real options are to get giga lucky, join clear parties or beg a static to get you through it. Or try again in week 7 when people have the normal weapons.

Even Week7 would change Dogshit, because the fundamental Issues are still there, People dont know how to handle adds, its the same with people saying MCH is bad in m6s, hell now mch is incredible if put on the right spot, let him prio one target and you see how it gets destroyed

so yea m6s did take the longest to clear in PF but i still enjoyed every lil bit of it and like i said previous maybe people wake up and try to get information of how to handle the addphase for the class they play *hust balance discord has everything important in the encounter channel hust*