Why is the game going down every expasion?

[LilithGardenia]

I’m a person who loves this game,the world and everything in between but I feel like the game has dropped in quality in story,job indentity(coming from a War main who have seen War get massacred every explosion.I still love War to death but that doesn’t mean I’m blind to the obvious massacre done to it) and in my honest opinion,the localization has gotten worse and people just blindly ignore it because of reasons I don’t know.Yoshi has to wake up and realize the state of the game and whoever is giving him council to be fired.What do others think of the state of the game and what do you dislike that they have have done to it?I’m really curious of what everyone who loves this fantasy world as much as I do thinks.

[YukioKobayashi]

Something, something bait, but I partially agree. Story and Job Identity went down hill after 5.0.
But what makes you think that Warrior changed for the worse? Warrior got more things added to it than removed for the past 3 Expantions.
That you hit Fell Cleave 3 times + 2 new GCD's instead of 5 times Fell Cleave? That Upheaval doesnt scale with your current HP anymore? That the Storm Eye duration stacks up to 60s?

[Reimmi]

Something, something bait, but I partially agree. Story and Job Identity went down hill after 5.0.
But what makes you think that Warrior changed for the worse? Warrior got more things added to it than removed for the past 3 Expantions.
That you hit Fell Cleave 3 times + 2 new GCD's instead of 5 times Fell Cleave? That Upheaval doesnt scale with your current HP anymore? That the Storm Eye duration stacks up to 60s?

Storms eye used to require some brain power to keep up
your gauge used to actually matter and require some planning for inner release windows because your OGCD's could crit during it
it wasn't alot but sanding off all failure states from the game is how the game becomes boring

[Jeeqbit]

Warrior do Fell Cleave. You can try and spin that it's ever done much else but in the distant past I was also pressing Fell Cleave > Fell Cleave > Fell Cleave, keeping up the buff, building rage, pressing Infuriate and Berserk/Inner Release.

Job identity has been eroded in favor of "balance" and responding to players who think it's unfair that their job doesn't have something another job does. As far as I've seen, Yoshi-P hasn't even been denying that, although one of the articles that quoted him he said misrepresented what he said.

As for what others think, if you look at literally any other post on these forums you will notice they don't think positively about any of it. Because most people obviously come to the forums to complain.

[Amarande]

Job identity has been eroded in favor of "balance" and responding to players who think it's unfair that their job doesn't have something another job does. As far as I've seen, Yoshi-P hasn't even been denying that, although one of the articles that quoted him he said misrepresented what he said.

As for what others think, if you look at literally any other post on these forums you will notice they don't think positively about any of it. Because most people obviously come to the forums to complain.

Sadly this is probably unavoidable given the game's group structure, the increasing every expansion number of jobs, and loot cadence.

We already have a minimum 2:1 ratio between every slot in a group and the available jobs for it.

If the jobs were more diverse we would instead have a rash of complaints about people struggling to even get to do endgame because their job isn't meta. This is the case in virtually every team game in which there are a large number of distinct choices for a small number of team slots, too: viz. people spending whole nights trying to get just one Mythic+ group in WoW because they aren't the "chosen one" (well, more like five, but still) - it's a gamer culture issue, not a specific title one.

And with the loot cadence and endgame groups being steadily pickier over time, switching mains if your main doesn't work out during the tier is mostly not viable until late odd patch (we already see this issue with roles - complaints roll out about the shortage of healers, but when people try to swap to healer and are limited by weekly lockouts to crafted gear to start off, they can't join the PFs because they don't meet the ilvl requirement, so the problem's still not solved! There are also from time to time tales of certain jobs noticing their role slot specifically locks them out a lot in PF as well).

The saminess is probably the least evil, unfortunately.

[Valence]

WAR went down for the worse when they removed gauge management during Inner Release (which is still a thing under Berzerk ironically), among other things.
I'd upvote by calling for people to be fired doesn't vibe well with me otherwise.

[YukioKobayashi]

WAR went down for the worse when they removed gauge management during Inner Release (which is still a thing under Berzerk ironically), among other things.
I'd upvote by calling for people to be fired doesn't vibe well with me otherwise.

That was a thing until what ... 4.1? 8 Years ago? The majority of the playerbase doesnt even know that IR used to have a 10s duration instead of stacks. I doubt the OP plays this game for this long.

[LilithGardenia]

I’ve been playing since 2013.I’ve seen War since the beginning

[ovIm]

WAR went down for the worse when they removed gauge management during Inner Release (which is still a thing under Berzerk ironically), among other things.
I'd upvote by calling for people to be fired doesn't vibe well with me otherwise.

Changing the gapcloser from "costs 20 Gauge, 10s CD" to "3 stacks, 30s CD per stack" was also a mistake that made the job worse, and this is a hill I am willing to die on.

WAR had a lot more things going on in HW/early SB, reducing the class to Fell Cleaves does it a major disservice.


Overall though, I agree with the OP. The devs keep sanding down the ($job) gameplay with each patch and expansion.

[YukioKobayashi]

Changing the gapcloser from "costs 20 Gauge, 10s CD" to "3 stacks, 30s CD per stack" was also a mistake that made the job worse, and this is a hill I am willing to die on.

Holy... there was nothing good about the 20 Gauge cost. You never used that skill outside of IR every 90s which removed the gauge cost. It was pretty much always more beneficial to just run back to the boss unless you were in narnia which you shouldnt be in the first place on a melee job. I cant think of a single raid in stormblood that required a warrior to peel of the boss entirely. (except maybe HW in o12s while using shit week 1 strats)
Onslaught outside of IR was so niche. You didnt even used it for the gapcloser itself.