I cannot tolerate how repetitive post-ARR music is

[Nebelheim]

It doesn't fit the buildings of the city. It fits the theme perfectly. Tulliyollal is the city that brings many different cultures together and makes them work. Jazz brings many different instruments together and makes them work. Wdym it doesn't fit the theme?

If soken wanted to do a jazz piece he should have went with Latin American jazz not New Orleans 1920's style big band/swing music which Latin jazz would have been more fitting considering dawntrail was suppose the be the South/Central American expansion which is why I said it doesn't fit tuliyolla thematically. They could have also done a full orchestral piece which would have brought more instrument together to musically represent a South American sound.

[ddwarbird]

I went to a concert recently and Soken was there. He came out and people lost their minds and some were crying. I sat there feeling weirded out by the cult like devotion to this person. As far as I'm concerned, he's "ok" but he is not Uematsu, who didn't get that much praise even when 7, 8, 9 and 10 came out. It was pretty freaky how defensive some people got when I told them that I honestly prefer Uematsu's work, the guy wrote "Dancing Mad" with a SNES soundchip and almost entire opera. I was so bored of FFXIV's melodramatic music, either rock anthems or melodramatic ballads which are nice but not the same quality in my opinion as the classic Final Fantasy era. Dawntrail was a step in the right direction as it felt a return to a more classic style of Final Fantasy music.

I just don't feel the same way about FFXIV's music that I do from "To Zanakand" or "Melodies of Life" or "Eyes on Me". I do wonder if I'm doing something wrong with the music. There are a few pieces I like but they usually tend to be remakes of older music from FF series. Tomorrow and Tomorrow is an exception though, that piece is stunningly beautiful. Especially the lyrical part of the Crystarium Night theme.

The Jazz however for Tuliyollal was just so out of place, it was like auditory whiplash and didn't match up to an Incan/Mayan style city at all.

[Daralii]

I went to a concert recently and Soken was there. He came out and people lost their minds and some were crying. I sat there feeling weirded out by the cult like devotion to this person. As far as I'm concerned, he's "ok" but he is not Uematsu, who didn't get that much praise even when 7, 8, 9 and 10 came out. It was pretty freaky how defensive some people got when I told them that I honestly prefer Uematsu's work, the guy wrote "Dancing Mad" with a SNES soundchip and almost entire opera. I was so bored of FFXIV's melodramatic music, either rock anthems or melodramatic ballads which are nice but not the same quality in my opinion as the classic Final Fantasy era. Dawntrail was a step in the right direction as it felt a return to a more classic style of Final Fantasy music.

I just don't feel the same way about FFXIV's music that I do from "To Zanakand" or "Melodies of Life" or "Eyes on Me". I do wonder if I'm doing something wrong with the music. There are a few pieces I like but they usually tend to be remakes of older music from FF series. Tomorrow and Tomorrow is an exception though, that piece is stunningly beautiful. Especially the lyrical part of the Crystarium Night theme.

The Jazz however for Tuliyollal was just so out of place, it was like auditory whiplash and didn't match up to an Incan/Mayan style city at all.

XIV has tracks and leitmotifs that I have an emotional response to, and I respect the fact that Soken stayed dedicated to his work while going through chemo, but he definitely started drifting into novelty and variety over quality and atmosphere around Alphascape at the latest and kept going further in that direction, especially after being promoted to a team lead(which I was unaware of until this thread and is something CS3 keeps doing to the game's detriment). Most of my favorites are ultimately the ones built on Uematsu's work, like the songs in Shadowbringers that used Eternal Winds.

[ddwarbird]

XIV has tracks and leitmotifs that I have an emotional response to, and I respect the fact that Soken stayed dedicated to his work while going through chemo, but he definitely started drifting into novelty and variety over quality and atmosphere around Alphascape at the latest and kept going further in that direction, especially after being promoted to a team lead(which I was unaware of until this thread and is something CS3 keeps doing to the game's detriment). Most of my favorites are ultimately the ones built on Uematsu's work, like the songs in Shadowbringers that used Eternal Winds.

Yeah, I am not trying to disrespect Soken, he went through a horrific thing I wouldn't wish on anyone. I just have a hard time connecting with his music as I have done Uematsu in the past. I do think the best tracks in this game are pieces built off Uematsu's work and real bops like "The Twinning" and "Vanguard"'s themes. However my personal favourite unique track is "The Burn", I absolutely adore the desolation of that theme and it still remains my favourite dungeon in the game.

[VictorSpoils]

I went to a concert recently and Soken was there. He came out and people lost their minds and some were crying. I sat there feeling weirded out by the cult like devotion to this person. As far as I'm concerned, he's "ok" but he is not Uematsu, who didn't get that much praise even when 7, 8, 9 and 10 came out. It was pretty freaky how defensive some people got when I told them that I honestly prefer Uematsu's work, the guy wrote "Dancing Mad" with a SNES soundchip and almost entire opera. I was so bored of FFXIV's melodramatic music, either rock anthems or melodramatic ballads which are nice but not the same quality in my opinion as the classic Final Fantasy era. Dawntrail was a step in the right direction as it felt a return to a more classic style of Final Fantasy music.

I just don't feel the same way about FFXIV's music that I do from "To Zanakand" or "Melodies of Life" or "Eyes on Me". I do wonder if I'm doing something wrong with the music. There are a few pieces I like but they usually tend to be remakes of older music from FF series. Tomorrow and Tomorrow is an exception though, that piece is stunningly beautiful. Especially the lyrical part of the Crystarium Night theme.

The Jazz however for Tuliyollal was just so out of place, it was like auditory whiplash and didn't match up to an Incan/Mayan style city at all.

Uematsu's work on the original XIV in particular is undervalued. The tracks work better as ambient noise, which is crucial when spending so much time in zones.

[Nebelheim]

Uematsu's work on the original XIV in particular is undervalued. The tracks work better as ambient noise, which is crucial when spending so much time in zones.

Nobuo does pretty good at capturing the atmosphere of an area I consider Naoshi Mizuta the ff11 composer to also be pretty good at capturing the magic and atmosphere of a zone. I think soken is good and composed good music also but I feel dawntrails music all over the place.

[ddwarbird]

Nobuo does pretty good at capturing the atmosphere of an area I consider Naoshi Mizuta the ff11 composer to also be pretty good at capturing the magic and atmosphere of a zone. I think soken is good and composed good music also but I feel dawntrails music all over the place.

I mean, this is the man who wrote "Aria Di Mezzo Carattere" for a SNES game (FFVI - Opera Scene), the guy more then deserves his acclaim. That opera piece never fails to move me to tears every time I hear it. This may be subjective but FFXIV does not to me, have any music that reaches that level of emotional quality. (With the exception of "Tomorrow and Tomorrow").

Civilizations (La-hee) made me honestly not stop laughing in Shadowbringers, my friends were laughing at my reaction because I was like "Who Greenlit this!?". I can't decide if its one of the best or worst pieces in the game, purely for comedic value. I've never been a fan of semi-yodelling but I think some people are. To me it was just hilarious to listen to. Walking into the Greatwood was like complete tonal whiplash, it didn't really fit the environment either but I'm not sure where in Shadowbringers that piece would fit, it seemed completely random.

I have to say, the waltz theme for Eulmore Daytime (Indulgence), still remains on of my favourite pieces in the game. Shadowbringers had such a good leitmotif in that expansion and the musical team got a lot of milage out of it. For me, that's when the music peaked for this game.

[Nebelheim]

I mean, this is the man who wrote "Aria Di Mezzo Carattere" for a SNES game (FFVI - Opera Scene), the guy more then deserves his acclaim. That opera piece never fails to move me to tears every time I hear it. This may be subjective but FFXIV does not to me, have any music that reaches that level of emotional quality. (With the exception of "Tomorrow and Tomorrow").

Civilizations (La-hee) made me honestly not stop laughing in Shadowbringers, my friends were laughing at my reaction because I was like "Who Greenlit this!?". I can't decide if its one of the best or worst pieces in the game, purely for comedic value. I've never been a fan of semi-yodelling but I think some people are. To me it was just hilarious to listen to. Walking into the Greatwood was like complete tonal whiplash, it didn't really fit the environment either but I'm not sure where in Shadowbringers that piece would fit, it seemed completely random.

I have to say, the waltz theme for Eulmore Daytime (Indulgence), still remains on of my favourite pieces in the game. Shadowbringers had such a good leitmotif in that expansion and the musical team got a lot of milage out of it. For me, that's when the music peaked for this game.

I also think shadowbringers was the last time ff14 music peaked with some decent music in endwalkers but dawntrail I was like why is the music all over the place. And I was like why would soken listen to ishikawa when she commissioned smile and wanting soken to make a musical style song and have it play when building a train bomb. But I also feel soken was covering up for a protege and taking the blame saying he came up with it so that people wouldn't hate on or question the next generation that he is training.

[MoofiaBossVal]

I don't get why people are picking on Tuliyollal's big band music, when Soken rescored Ul'dah so now there is royal Disney castle music playing for an Islamic city, but I have never seen anyone complain about that. JRPG music is about vibes, not realism. Ul'dah's music gets across the idea of a romantic good kingdom you want to be a part of, and Tuliyollal the idea of a bustling relaxed city.

[Xieldras]

I don't get why people are picking on Tuliyollal's big band music, when Soken rescored Ul'dah so now there is royal Disney castle music playing for an Islamic city, but I have never seen anyone complain about that. JRPG music is about vibes, not realism. Ul'dah's music gets across the idea of a romantic good kingdom you want to be a part of, and Tuliyollal the idea of a bustling relaxed city.

JRPG is about vibes, I agree, but it's also about immersion. It's the whole "does the music fit the aesthetic" thing.
I could put this one into, say, Legend of Korra and it would feel right at home.

Personally, I don't believe Tuliyollal to be a 'relaxed city' when I hear trumpets blaring in my headset during daytime. I enjoy the theme, but not in the context presented: as the theme of the Turali capital.
The reason I focused so much on it is because it's the most obvious example. I frankly cannot hum nor recall the music from the Dawntrail zones save for 'Depresso' Living Memory.