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    I'm sorry, but no, that's not how English works. First, this sentence is a complex one, not a compound one. Second, even in compound sentences, subject/object pronoun use still applies. Say, for instance, Ryne said, "I like to eat coffee biscuits with you and Gaia, and Gaia wants to eat coffee biscuits with you and me." For that compound sentence's first independent clause ("I like to eat coffee biscuits with you and Gaia"), the speaker is Ryne, its verb's subject is also Ryne (Ryne's doing the verb's action, the liking). The speaker of the second independent clause is still Ryne, but its verb's subject is Gaia (Gaia's doing the verb's action, the wanting). See my breakdown above of the subjects and objects of Ryne's actual line.

    I'm going to stop attempting grammar explanations in this thread; I've given sufficient specifics for the localizers and editors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibliomancer View Post
    I'm sorry, but no, that's not how English works. First, this sentence is a complex one, not a compound one. Second, even in compound sentences, subject/object pronoun use still applies. Say, for instance, Ryne said, "I like to eat coffee biscuits with you and Gaia, and Gaia wants to eat coffee biscuits with you and me." For that compound sentence's first independent clause ("I like to eat coffee biscuits with you and Gaia"), the speaker is Ryne, its verb's subject is also Ryne (Ryne's doing the verb's action, the liking). The speaker of the second independent clause is still Ryne, but its verb's subject is Gaia (Gaia's doing the verb's action, the wanting). See my breakdown above of the subjects and objects of Ryne's actual line.

    I'm going to stop attempting grammar explanations in this thread; I've given sufficient specifics for the localizers and editors.
    I agree that we'll just have to agree to disagree as I feel you're assigning the actions to the wrong pronouns.

    If you don't want to think about it in a grammatical way then think about what is happening in the scene. Gia and Ryne are on their way to have some afternoon tea. They spot the Warrior of Darkness on their way. The WoD was most likely looking for them or to go and ask the npc that is playing record keeper since Ryne tends to only mention Gia in Eden related dialog. So at the moment the WoD is as I've said presumably standing still and not doing anything. While the two teenagers are still going to most likely than not continue on to having said tea regardless if the WoL joins them or not. Now they could prolong the getting of said tea depending on the WoD's response but it definitely will happen cause those coffee biscuits won't dip themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SannaR View Post
    I agree that we'll just have to agree to disagree as I feel you're assigning the actions to the wrong pronouns.
    Sanna, the way you're trying to explain it just isn't at all how English grammar works. The thing that matters is if you take away the other person, would you say "me" or would you say "I"?

    Gaia and (me/I) are having afternoon tea.
    Me am having afternoon tea.
    I am having afternoon tea.
    Gaia and I are having afternoon tea.

    Would you like to join Gaia and (I/me)?
    Would you like to join I?
    Would you like to join me?
    Would you like to join Gaia and me?


    The only funny case is the predicate nominative, which is where you use subject pronouns (I/thou/they/we/you/they) instead of object pronouns (I/thee/them/us/ye/them) after the verb "to be" because "to be" is basically an equal sign, and the sentence is reversible.

    The people having tea are Gaia and I.
    Gaia and I are the people having tea.

    That's not something that applies in OP's issue though.


    Anyway, what I explained in my earlier post about prescriptive vs descriptive grammar applies and this whole thread is a non-issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Sanna, the way you're trying to explain it just isn't at all how English grammar works. The thing that matters is if you take away the other person, would you say "me" or would you say "I"?

    Gaia and (me/I) are having afternoon tea.
    Me am having afternoon tea.
    I am having afternoon tea.
    Gaia and I are having afternoon tea.

    Would you like to join Gaia and (I/me)?
    Would you like to join I?
    Would you like to join me?
    Would you like to join Gaia and me?


    The only funny case is the predicate nominative, which is where you use subject pronouns (I/thou/they/we/you/they) instead of object pronouns (I/thee/them/us/ye/them) after the verb "to be" because "to be" is basically an equal sign, and the sentence is reversible.

    The people having tea are Gaia and I.
    Gaia and I are the people having tea.

    That's not something that applies in OP's issue though.


    Anyway, what I explained in my earlier post about prescriptive vs descriptive grammar applies and this whole thread is a non-issue.
    Yeah a few FC mates cleared it all up. Yet the op in later replies makes it come off as though they're trying to place the action being done by the WoD. As the WoD being the one who is doing the wondering and the one in mid transit which is how I got to my stance of how can the WoD be the one doing any of the action.
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