SE: How do I know if I am doing enough damage in Savage?

[Hastatus]

First it was hitting enrage in M5S at 10% health remaining and now I am bored as hell repeating the Desert phase of M6S just to wipe to adds. Let me be clear I can get two perfect grooves and no DDs and still see 10% and I know how to aoe/cleave and choose priority targets. In M5S I have seen parties who I thought sucked because there were DDs and deaths all over the place get less than 1% because somehow one or more are doing insane amounts of damage while other groups who have almost no DDs are barely able to get to 5%. Unless I have died or got a DD it is nearly impossible for me to know comparatively how much damage I did from one pull to the next. And I certainly do not know if I have done my share of the damage compared to the other players in the PF.

I can't change any parts of my rotation to see if one way is better than another. I can try to use three pots in M5S or use two with one at the 6-minute window and I have no means of gauging whether one method does more or less damage than the other. If I changed my rotation or used a certain pot combination and get a clear I might expect the lower damage method was better but in reality someone else might have done some godly amount of DPS...but I will never know. I can try and meld Determination and Direct Hit Rate just right but again I have no way of comparing my cumulative damage from one pull to the next.

The Battle Log is a joke. It's like you want us to do complex math using only Roman numerals and that is if the Battle Log still has the entire fight. The in game recorder might have been useful but you refuse to allow us to use it when it would be useful. How is the Stone-Sky-Sea striking dummy tuned to a raid? Am I supposed to use food or pots on it? Is killing it with 5 seconds left on the timer enough or does it require 10, 15, or 30 seconds? How am I supposed to know whether my gear is good enough at my skill level when I don't know if I am doing enough damage?

I never know how much damage I am doing and thus I never know if I am improving or whether I have reached my blind skill level cap that doesn't reach your hidden expectations. When will you explicitly state what percentage of the player base you are hoping will not clear the content. The more raids I do the more it feels like they are intended to be lootbox battles: you want to trick people into thinking they can clear the content but you only want so many clears. This is terrible game design. By the time I and other players get enough gear where the newest raids might be more fun than tedious because we have higher hopes that we can do enough damage some other content will have priority and finding players will become the tedious part.

You have obfuscated cumulative player damage so much all the while making it the most important requirement in harder content. These two things should not coexist. You need to show cumulative damage over time and or grade player performance in game on each pull. Players who do this harder content should be able to handle critiques from you. If we are supposed to use third party tools to read the Battle Logs ourselves then you need to openly tell players which types of third party tools are acceptable.

There is no worse feeling in this game than being able to do all the mechanics of a raid but not knowing if the failure in DPS is because of your skill or the skill of one or more of the other seven players. If I suck, tell me so I can stop wasting my time and the time of others.

[Sunako]

There is Stone sea sky training dummy for that.

Level 60 - The Dravanian Hinterlands (18, 11)
Level 70 - The Fringes (30, 11)
Level 80 - Kholusia (24, 38)
Level 90 - Thavnair (30, 17)
Level 100 - Heritage Found (16.5, 9)

[Stasya]

There is Stone sea sky training dummy for that.

Level 60 - The Dravanian Hinterlands (18, 11)
Level 70 - The Fringes (30, 11)
Level 80 - Kholusia (24, 38)
Level 90 - Thavnair (30, 17)
Level 100 - Heritage Found (16.5, 9)

they are completely useless but thanks for reminding people these exist

[Sunako]

they are completely useless but thanks for reminding people these exist

Square made these dummies, because people ask exactly same question during 2.0 and it is the best we have and I don't think it gonna change anytime soon.

[Stasya]

Square made these dummies, because people ask exactly same question during 2.0 and it is the best we have and I don't think it gonna change anytime soon.

Who cares that they made them, they are useless, the fact that you posted about them just indicates you are either farming comments or square white knight.

There is no legal way to check how you and your class perform in raid.

[Sunako]

Who cares that they made them, they are useless, the fact that you posted about them just indicates you are either farming comments or square white knight.

There is no legal way to check how you and your class perform in raid.

I only wanted to help OP. My post count is not significantly higher than yours relatively how old my account is. I am pretty far from white knight. I already unsubbed the game and probably not gonna return before 8.0.

[KageTokage]

It's honestly hard to be bad at DPS in XIV as long you're following the basic principles like:

1. Always be casting.

2. Align your party buffs with the rest of the group and pop all of your offensive cooldowns while they're active.

3. Don't overflow on resources like ninki, awakening gauge, etc.

4. Don't sit on offensive cooldowns unless you can get more use out of them from delaying them briefly due to elements like adds spawning, forced downtime, etc.

[Gurgeh]

But it's not surprising if OP has forgotten and is oblivious to it.
Where in Dutyfinder is the instance you should just be able to queue into, to remind you it's there and make it convenient.
The NPC isn't even clearly marked on the map. (Or at least it wasn't last time I looked in EW.)
Just doing that shouldn't be a big deal. Ought to be possible by next minor patch once the decision is made to do it.
It's probably even quite fun for some people.
Who knows... if you wanted to be really ambitious, you could even add healing checks for Healers. Maybe even mitigation check for tanks.
Adding it for Expert dungeons might be nice to get people in the mindset. Although, I rather fear, is 'auto attack enabled', would suffice.

[Supersnow845]

Stone sea and sky is completely useless as a mechanic to judge your DPS because it basically just tells you if you sufficiently understand the fundamentals of your rotation, but absolutely nothing about how you are performing on a fight specific basis

[KageTokage]

...Yeah, just because you can kill the dummy for a fight like M8S does not mean you're gonna be able to maintain that number in practice when the fight is extremely movement heavy and rough if not impossible for some jobs to keep full uptime in.