SE: How do I know if I am doing enough damage in Savage?

[Voryn]

If no-one died and you saw enrage, you're not doing enough damage. See how gearing up, melding, food and pots helps.

You can’t tell whose fault it is. It’s possible for people to underperform enough to the point where others can’t reasonably be expected to make up for the difference. If I’m in a raid and I play

Everyone is saying Stone Sea Sky but that does not tell you if you’re doing a good enough job once you’re actually in the raid. There’s downtime from tanks/melees having to disengage from the boss, or from casters/healers having to move around a lot. Nd people can make mistakes (I’m making a lot while learning GNB this tier lol) and there’s no legal way to tell if you’re still pulling your weight.

My rotation was a dumpster fire each time I cleared M6S so far. Did I pull my weight? I don’t know.

[Sunako]

Who cares that they made them, they are useless, the fact that you posted about them just indicates you are either farming comments or square white knight.

There is no legal way to check how you and your class perform in raid.

I only wanted to help OP. My post count is not significantly higher than yours relatively how old my account is. I am pretty far from white knight. I already unsubbed the game and probably not gonna return before 8.0.

[Exmo]

You can’t tell whose fault it is. It’s possible for people to underperform enough to the point where others can’t reasonably be expected to make up for the difference. If I’m in a raid and I play

Everyone is saying Stone Sea Sky but that does not tell you if you’re doing a good enough job once you’re actually in the raid. There’s downtime from tanks/melees having to disengage from the boss, or from casters/healers having to move around a lot. Nd people can make mistakes (I’m making a lot while learning GNB this tier lol) and there’s no legal way to tell if you’re still pulling your weight.

My rotation was a dumpster fire each time I cleared M6S so far. Did I pull my weight? I don’t know.

Sure. But if you're seeing enrage with no deaths, you've got good gear, mats, food and pots, and you're not messing up your rotation, then you're not the problem. This is savage, not ultimate. It's assumed you're competent in your class and know your rotation enough to know when you mucked it up, but you're not expected to have it completely tweaked as you would for ultimates. It's really not that complicated.

[Kandraxx]

Through legal means, you can't. And you probably never will. When it comes to discussing game balance, SE devs just pretend they don't see players admitting to breaking the Terms of Service. It's an unhealthy, 10-year relationship that benefits no one.

Also for some people here, striking dummies do nothing for a fight like M6S.

Would be kinda dumb to ban the remaining 10k players who actually care for the trash raids in this game. They know that players cheat and they know that no one in the gaming world gives a f about FFXIV clears.

Now before somebody comes here with ''muuuUUUu WoW alsO hAs AdDoNs". Yeah, in WoW the fights start with the addons, in FFXIV the fights get broken by them.

[AmiableApkallu]

Disagree with this bit. Just literally do all the basic things like mechanics, ABC, buff window alignment, follow advice from The Balance, use food, materia and pots and then you know it's not you. It's not rocket science.

Me thinks that there are people who might not understand the variability of humans and their inability to recognize "small" failings.

I've done everything suggested here. Or at least I thought I was. I mean, I damn well tried. Then I plugged a log into xivanalysis.

My uptime was well under 90%. On DNC, of all jobs.

The advice for how to do good damage is easy to type out. The game proper makes it all but impossible to determine how well you're actually following that advice.

[Jeeqbit]

My uptime was well under 90%. On DNC, of all jobs.

Factors like ping can affect it and also sometimes it's wrong and not considering phase changes and things like that. I remember that site itself saying how it was out of date for certain jobs or content etc.

[CidHeiral]

The more raids I do the more it feels like they are intended to be lootbox battles: you want to trick people into thinking they can clear the content but you only want so many clears. This is terrible game design.

lolwut? There's not some secret sauce to clearing a raid. If your party does the mechanics and their rotations correctly you'll win. Meters aren't going to magically make you understand the fight and/or your job.

[Saraide]

I appreciate that instead of looking at all the publicly available numbers and resources OP chose the option that is writing an essay on the forums. Bold move, lets see if it pays off.

[Frizze]

The devs are unlikely to add an official DPS meter, and are even more unlikely to support open use of an unofficial one. But you dont have to run a parse to see how well you do, you just need to be in a group with someone who does and uploads to the website that shall not be named(or a friend who does and just tells you without uploading). Its possible(im not going to check) that someone in a group youve already been in has uploaded some of your runs. Looking yourself up couldnt hurt.

[Voryn]

Sure. But if you're seeing enrage with no deaths, you've got good gear, mats, food and pots, and you're not messing up your rotation, then you're not the problem.

I’ve met new players that are wrong about how to play their job and think they’re doing it right. I was personally like this when I started trying RDM in raids. And sometimes they just think “wow, this first floor of Savage is really hard” instead of realizing something is wrong with how they’re approaching their job. They only find out they’re playing wrong if they look up tutorials (but why look up tutorials for something you think you already know how to do?) or someone else points out their problems by using logs.

The advice for how to do good damage is easy to type out. The game proper makes it all but impossible to determine how well you're actually following that advice.

And then the new raider playing WHM doesn’t realize their problem is that they only have 60% uptime and then are missing out on 96 Glares in a ten minute fight. They think their problem is that they used Medica 3 four times are missing out on four Glares because of that, instead of realizing that if they focus on their movement and get more uptime then they’ll get 24 more Glares every time they improve by 10%. And this situation can’t be fixed by going into Stone Sea Sky.

Having no personal feedback during raids means you either have to already know the game and your job really well to know if you’re doing something wrong, or use third party tools. And new raiders often do not already know the details of the game and their job that well. They’ve probably only done MSQ, which barely taught them anything.