Ban premades from frontline, fix all issues

[Aravell]

There's undeniably issues with Frontlines, but I have to ask why so many people's immediate solution they put forth is to ban people from playing with their friends? That just makes everyone more miserable in the end, because serious players can no longer guarantee that they have 3 less leechers/feeders on their team in every match.

Why not instead push for punishing lethargic play and giving people the initiative to push for a win? That would make every match more fun for everyone when the skill floor is raised.

[Sunhwapark]

Why not instead push for punishing lethargic play and giving people the initiative to push for a win? .

That would involve telling people that they don't even meet the current skill floor, implying they are bad at the game - which could possibly upset the player's feelings. That's not allowed on SE's watch.

[Miohazuki]

The new meta makes it impossible to play against premades, for the love of god make it solo queue, then they can q snipe each other.

At least not every new player is getting rolled in and never playing again.

The pvp in wow and ffxiv should not be taken seriously .

[AristocraticCorgi]

That would involve telling people that they don't even meet the current skill floor, implying they are bad at the game - which could possibly upset the player's feelings. That's not allowed on SE's watch.

You don't pay their sub. And SE needs and wants their sub.

[Exmo]

Put premades in their own matchmaking queue.

Reduce queue pop requirement to 36 players. More can be added within first 5 minutes.

Problem solved.

[Valence]

I mean CC has a hidden MMR system, so why not FLs? We even have our own win rates shown in the pvp menu, which isn't even the case for CC. The data is already there. If the system tries to balance out each team's hidden MMR, then it could potentially help make things less lopsided.
But of course, it won't address the problem of leechers. I personally never really paid attention to them tbh.

[Divinemights]

I mean CC has a hidden MMR system, so why not FLs? We even have our own win rates shown in the pvp menu, which isn't even the case for CC. The data is already there. If the system tries to balance out each team's hidden MMR, then it could potentially help make things less lopsided.
But of course, it won't address the problem of leechers. I personally never really paid attention to them tbh.

I don't seed any point with Frontline and MMR.
There is also something called casual Crystal Conflict where it absolutely has no premade and there is no 3rd GC as random variable.
But they are not going there because you know why?
These people are the one with mindset of "I am so good that I will kill everyone I see, if I got killed, they are 100% premade"
Don't like fighting against premade or friend play together?
They can go play casual Crystal Conflict?
I go either casual or ranked during Seize myself

Aether or Crystal premade comes play on Primal frontline all the time by the way.

[Sunhwapark]

You don't pay their sub. And SE needs and wants their sub.

I don't quite understand what this is supposed to mean, sorry.

[AristocraticCorgi]

I don't quite understand what this is supposed to mean, sorry.

It's an old inside joke.

Players who don't care about improving will never do it even if asked politely to do so for the benefit of their teams.

[Valence]

I don't seed any point with Frontline and MMR.
There is also something called casual Crystal Conflict where it absolutely has no premade and there is no 3rd GC as random variable.
But they are not going there because you know why?
These people are the one with mindset of "I am so good that I will kill everyone I see, if I got killed, they are 100% premade"
Don't like fighting against premade or friend play together?
They can go play casual Crystal Conflict?
I go either casual or ranked during Seize myself

Aether or Crystal premade comes play on Primal frontline all the time by the way.

I am genuinely confused by your post? I don't understand what this is supposed to be mean.
The only thing I expressed is that I see little drawbacks into having a matchmaking ensuring that FL get a bit more balance between each team in terms of skills.

You seem to be talking about people specifically unhappy about premades, sure, but what's your angle there? What does it have to do with having a simple system making FL more balanced? I just reacted from MMR balance, I'm not here to shit on premades or defend premades. If anything, premades just annoy me when they end on my team. I think I have a pretty solid track records on those forums actually defending the ability to queue up with friends, and even supported consistently the idea to introduce duo queues in CC (with safeguards).


Edit: my opinion on premades for anybody trying to fit me into any sides, tl;dr edition

-> If you're pissed because you die to premades, learn to play against them, or just understand that you just got played by people that are leagues above you and readjust the ego. Your team may not have the biggest chances to win without one yourself, but you never know, and that's not what matters in FL anyway. Play for yourself, and the good plays, and you'll enjoy it a lot more.
-> If you end up in a team of premades and usually enjoy pvp, then cross your fingers for the enemy teams to be competent, else enjoy feeling like a healer in a pve dungeon (borderline useless).