FF14 players are content with the slop because they barely play other games

[Wasselin]

So you say we only like this game because we don't know any better?

[Jeeqbit]

I don't really play other games very often.

But it's pretty easy to know if I'm enjoying a fight or not and personally I've enjoyed the ones this expansion.

[TheFrogMan]

LOL I make a comment about how I think M6S is a great direction for fight design in the game and OP crashes out.

Just in case you're making an echo-chamber thread, I'll repost my response here just for you.

You're right, I only ever play FF14. I have never played another game in my life.

In all honesty though I've been crying out over the problems of this game for a long time and I have been asking for changes in this direction.
And now that we have changes in this direction you think it will help by saying It's a steaming pile of filth? What does that tell the developer? Because that sounds like the communication that got us where we are today.

Also who are you? Not a single savage, extreme, or ultimate log this expansion? What credentials do you have to make a comment on anything past MSQ? You only have white mage and crafters leveled so either this is low quality bait, you're actually just insane or you hide logs and buy clears.

I actively play other games way more than 14, I only hop on to raid with friends and do MSQ and I'm voicing my opinion to the developers who said they are making big changes to the formula to hopefully see more improvements in the right direction.

you going on forums and straw-manning people just to hate on things blindly is more pathetic than anything I can conjure up if I tried.

[AllenThyl]

You've been whining for over 6 years, clown-senpai. However old you were then, you are now 6 years older, whining constantly non-stop about a video game. In 6 years, you will still be whining, every day, whole year around, about everything, won't you? Just whining. Whining whining whining. You go through dozens of accounts in a year just to whine on the forums. "Stockholm Syndrome", the full-time whiner says, already setting up the next account for when this one will get banned, just to continue whining.

[missTori]

i dont understand how you can be mad about the disco frog raid, like bro go take a nap

[Kandraxx]

If 8.0 doesn't change the game fundamentally in terms of gameplay, personal skill-expression and content then it will go full Barbie & Ken house simulator where they just keep re-selling low effort emotes, glams and furniture to the remaining beyond-hope addicts.

At this point it's not even a real game anymore, let alone an MMO. It's just a test of patience if you can press a 20-button rotation that they have more or less hard coded right for X minutes while memorizing different scripts. Which then gets the artificial difficulty treatment by forcing this to be 8-player and one fail means all fail. I rather use the time of my life to learn or memorize real stuff that will benefit me at some point instead of when a boss in a video game is going to shoot a triangle laser from his left palm that will split halfway through when he blinks with his right eye.

I mean, the most bewildering thing is how all this garbage still passes through their ranks and QA.

[JohnConstantine]

I don't really play other games very often.

Good that you admit it. That's the one defining trait of MMO players in general. They don't know what they're missing out on.

[AllenThyl]

Come on clown-senpai, you can do better than that! Have at least a tiny amount of self-awareness while you spend your precious lifetime whining on this forum instead of playing all these other great games

[Jojoya]

I keep seeing people complaining about how FFXIV is bad and how other MMOs are doing it better.

What MMOs are those?

I know it's not WoW. I've been playing WoW for the last 6 months. The "slop" there looks different but overall it's still slop.

My problem with FFXIV right now is story and environment aesthetics. The Dawntrail story has been poorly done and I'm not into the neon cyberpunk/streetgear look. The 7.2 MSQ still doesn't impress me even if it's an improvement over what we've seen so far this expansion. I can't generate enough interest anymore to make it worth paying a subscription.

The only advantage WoW has for me right now over FFXIV is that I don't have to pay to play (very easy to make gold to get a WoW token). Being on a limited income for a few more months before my financial situation gets straightened out, that makes a big difference for me. Otherwise both have their good parts and bad parts. I won't call WoW a game that does it better when it doesn't.

But if someone can list other MMORPGs that are better and what specifically makes them better, it could be I'll find a new MMORPG to play until FFXIV swings back to what it was like in the past when it comes to story/aesthetic (if it ever does).

If all people are doing is throwing out a mysterious other MMORPG as a reason for the devs to do better without having knowledge and experience of a specific better game, then we're all having our time wasted. The devs aren't going to be motivated by threats of players moving to another game that doesn't exist.

Good that you admit it. That's the one defining trait of MMO players in general. They don't know what they're missing out on.

In many ways, yes.

But the reason to play a MMO is primarily the social experience. Less than stellar game play doesn't have as much of an impact when your concern is having fun while playing with others.

If playing with others doesn't seem like fun under the current game systems, players have themselves to blame for prioritizing personal QoL at the individual level over the social experience, which will always lead to a need to compromise.

To me MMORPGs were at their best when players were restricted to playing with others on their home server. You would start seeing the same players around all the time. It paid to get to know some of the them, learn who were good people versus who were jerks, who were good players versus who were bad. There was more incentive to help other players because finding a reliable replacement for your raid group would be dependent on who was available on your server.

Now for the sake of convenience, other players are disposable assets not worth knowing or investing in. The connections we make are more business than personal in nature. If someone isn't already up to your gear/clear standards, you're going to ignore them instead of taking a chance and letting them prove themselves.

We've done it to ourselves. The major changes that game developers have made in their games over the years have been in response to player feedback and complaints.

Many say that players don't know what they want. I disagree. We know what we want. What most players don't know is how things need to work for us to get what we want. Clearly all these supposed QoL changes made over the years haven't done it when players are still so unhappy.

[JohnConstantine]

I keep seeing people complaining about how FFXIV is bad and how other MMOs are doing it better.

What MMOs are those?

I know it's not WoW. I've been playing WoW for the last 6 months. The "slop" there looks different but overall it's still slop.

My problem with FFXIV right now is story and environment aesthetics. The Dawntrail story has been poorly done and I'm not into the neon cyberpunk/streetgear look. The 7.2 MSQ still doesn't impress me even if it's an improvement over what we've seen so far this expansion. I can't generate enough interest anymore to make it worth paying a subscription.

The only advantage WoW has for me right now over FFXIV is that I don't have to pay to play (very easy to make gold to get a WoW token). Being on a limited income for a few more months before my financial situation gets straightened out, that makes a big difference for me. Otherwise both have their good parts and bad parts. I won't call WoW a game that does it better when it doesn't.

But if someone can list other MMORPGs that are better and what specifically makes them better, it could be I'll find a new MMORPG to play until FFXIV swings back to what it was like in the past when it comes to story/aesthetic (if it ever does).

If all people are doing is throwing out a mysterious other MMORPG as a reason for the devs to do better without having knowledge and experience of a specific better game, then we're all having our time wasted. The devs aren't going to be motivated by threats of players moving to another game that doesn't exist.

MMO as a genre is dead. Move on.

Go play single player open world games if you want something to grind. Go play multiplayer games like Helldivers 2 if you want to party up with friends. There's a reason the kids aren't playing MMOs, and it's not because they are kids. It's because the MMO genre only survives by pulling older gamers in with nostalgia. If you want value for money there are a ton of indie games out there.