The Male Miqo'te situation of Tural (SE forgetting their own lore?)

[MikkoAkure]

Than why this thing is called "map of Eorzea"?

That's not called the "Map of Eorzea". If you look in the top left corner it even says "The Three Great Continents".

Eorzea is a region that is just the continent of Aldenard and the island of Vylbrand.

[Iscah]

Regarding the thread's original question about gender balance differences, I think that could potentially be explained by culture in combination with genetics.

I read something a while ago that was saying in general there's a natural tendency towards balanced or consistent amounts of male and female individuals in a population, because if an imbalance develops then individuals who tend to produce offspring of the uncommon gender are more successful at passing their genes on, resulting in more of that gender in the next generation. I'm not sure how universal that is, but it makes sense well enough.

So if that is true for a population where every individual is trying to find one mate for themselves, then what happens when Seeker cultural rules are brought into the mix? It seems to me that it could tilt that ratio of how many individuals of each gender are needed in the population, and it becomes an advantage to have lots of girls and maybe one boy for the best chance of passing on genes to future generations.

But then other Miqo'te-equivalent cultures like the Mystel and Hhetsarro don't have that culture, so -- depending on when their ancestors split apart and the culture at that time -- the imbalance either never existed or slowly shifted back to a more even balance.

[Sharindel]

Who's calling that "a map of Eorzea"? The actual description is right there on the map: "The Three Great Continents".

There's no "Eorzea" label because its two major components Aldenard and Vylbrand are labelled separately.

Alternately if you look at the updated version of this map in the game, the label for Eorzea has been added to the middle of that continent (between the small labels for Coerthas and Mor Dhona) in the continent-labelling font.

There is a separate map sometimes used (e.g. pages 4-5 of the first lorebook) that just shows Eorzea and is titled as such, cropped from the Three Great Continents map.

That is a proof! Hurray!
You proof me false and i must admit it! You are correct and i am false, so my arguments are false! That is how you do it! Good job!

But overall, my argument about miqo'te make it not invalid, the lore book also told that miqo'te as race hat that feature, so the tribe would also show that kind of feature.

[Supersnow845]

Also there is no problem with a miqo'te an the soul of Azem. Where did you get the idea from? Every race that exist in "aetheris" the whole thing, before the shattering, exist also in all the other shards. It’s the same with the soul of Azem. The soul of Azem can be reborn in the original shard in every race! And why it is the biggest part? Because of the rejoinings, the soul of Azem in the original shard like every out soul that is splintered gets more complete. Also your idea, think about it, when miqo'te can't be Azem, every of the races can't be Azem, because you would need an ancient race for it! But there is no ancient race anymore! Also to think that the ancient could not look like miqo'te... why? They are beings of pure aether! They can choose every form they like! Maybe miqo'te were a concept of them.

As far as we know none of the intelligent races exist before the shattering. The only “human” like race before the shattering was the ancients. All the intelligent races are fragments of the shattered ancient souls. If the ancients made miqote then they would by the lore of the ancients be soulless as the ancients cannot create souls (elpis explains this in great detail). However Azem can be an miqote so by proxy miqote must have souls. So they can’t be created by the ancient. This applies to any of the intelligent races; none of them can be created by the ancients because they can have pieces of the ancient souls. Conversely many creatures the ancients made still exist across all the shards and they never inherited ancient souls. So we also have no evidence that shattering the ancients allowed existing creatures to absorb the ancients souls. So any race that contains an accent soul fragment must have been created after the shattering

I simply said we are the largest shard of Azem because we are 9/14 parts of Azem. All other shards contain 1/14 parts of Azem

[Sharindel]

Regarding the thread's original question about gender balance differences, I think that could potentially be explained by culture in combination with genetics.

I read something a while ago that was saying in general there's a natural tendency towards balanced or consistent amounts of male and female individuals in a population, because if an imbalance develops then individuals who tend to produce offspring of the uncommon gender are more successful at passing their genes on, resulting in more of that gender in the next generation. I'm not sure how universal that is, but it makes sense well enough.

So if that is true for a population where every individual is trying to find one mate for themselves, then what happens when Seeker cultural rules are brought into the mix? It seems to me that it could tilt that ratio of how many individuals of each gender are needed in the population, and it becomes an advantage to have lots of girls and maybe one boy for the best chance of passing on genes to future generations.

But then other Miqo'te-equivalent cultures like the Mystel and Hhetsarro don't have that culture, so -- depending on when their ancestors split apart and the culture at that time -- the imbalance either never existed or slowly shifted back to a more even balance.

Normal is for most races have a 1:1 gender quota. Because it is the ideal quote for survival of that race. But overall you are correct with your idea, females are more important for the reproduction. A male can have sex with many females but a female can't have more kids when they have more sex with different males. So the idea is correct, something or somebody choose that miqo'te have a higher reproduction chance in general. Also we can claim who that way, the original author of that race, but why?

But that claim that it has a cultural reason, that is not very valid... because... even on the seeker of the sun, the boys will have sex with some woman, the lesser ones and will make it in secret. The whole concept of miqo'te is overall flawed with more males and male dominated or female dominated. It is half baked. That is why we will never get a correct answer. Its the same with the viera problem, that offspring will get there gender in puperty. What was later be cleared by a dev, that they only look alike until they get in puperty. The gender is fixed from day 0.

[Sharindel]

As far as we know none of the intelligent races exist before the shattering. The only “human” like race before the shattering was the ancients. All the intelligent races are fragments of the shattered ancient souls. If the ancients made miqote then they would by the lore of the ancients be soulless as the ancients cannot create souls (elpis explains this in great detail). However Azem can be an miqote so by proxy miqote must have souls. So they can’t be created by the ancient. This applies to any of the intelligent races; none of them can be created by the ancients because they can have pieces of the ancient souls. Conversely many creatures the ancients made still exist across all the shards and they never inherited ancient souls. So we also have no evidence that shattering the ancients allowed existing creatures to absorb the ancients souls. So any race that contains an accent soul fragment must have been created after the shattering

I simply said we are the largest shard of Azem because we are 9/14 parts of Azem. All other shards contain 1/14 parts of Azem

That is the point, as far as we know! But we have Meteion, build by Hermes. So to adapt that concept, that other ancient also build more advanced humanoid races to aid there work would be a thing.

Also your soulless idea is interesting, but has a flaw, ancient use creating magic, there own aetheric energy to create things. When they create something, they create there idea with some port of there own aether. So if they would create a being with a soul they would split a part of there own soul and imbued it with more aether. That is also explained in the first cut scene of Elpois . Where Emeth and Hythlodeusface you, you existence is to weak to exist, but claim that Azem created you! So everything they created is a part of there soul, because ancient are pure aether, pure soul and everything they create is part of them.

So when an ancient build something he split a part of there own concept to the new being and replenish themself by the amount of free aesthetic energy. That is way we never can create new souls, we can only use some form minor form of creation magic, like creating minor fake beings.

[Supersnow845]

That is the point, as far as we know! But we have Meteion, build by Hermes. So to adapt that concept, that other ancient also build more advanced humanoid races to aid there work would be a thing.

Also your soulless idea is interesting, but has a flaw, ancient use creating magic, there own aetheric energy to create things. When they create something, they create there idea with some port of there own aether. So if they would create a being with a soul they would split a part of there own soul and imbued it with more aether. That is also explained in the first cut scene of Elpois . Where Emeth and Hythlodeusface you, you existence is to weak to exist, but claim that Azem created you! So everything they created is a part of there soul, because ancient are pure aether, pure soul and everything they create is part of them.

So when an ancient build something he split a part of there own concept to the new being and replenish themself by the amount of free aesthetic energy. That is way we never can create new souls, we can only use some form minor form of creation magic, like creating minor fake beings.

They don’t pass parts of their soul into what they create, emet selch simply gives you enough aether to physically manifest in the world. The reason they think you were created by Azem is because your aetheric signal is similar to azems because soul and aetherial signal are intertwined. They don’t think Azem passed part of his/her soul into you they think you share azem’s aetherial signal because they don’t know how to else to describe you. Sapience and magical control in what could be most closely described as a familiar was noted to be incredibly odd to them. The only somewhat similar character is Meteion but she relies on dynamis whereas we show clear control of aether to the ancients

Meteion also doesn’t have a soul, she simulates sapience via her interaction with dynamis which again would preclude her from accepting a shard of an ancients soul.

It simply doesn’t make sense for a race to be created before the shattering to then be in possession of an ancients shattered soul after the shattering based on what’s explained in elpis

[Iscah]

Normal is for most races have a 1:1 gender quota. Because it is the ideal quote for survival of that race. But overall you are correct with your idea, females are more important for the reproduction. A male can have sex with many females but a female can't have more kids when they have more sex with different males. So the idea is correct, something or somebody choose that miqo'te have a higher reproduction chance in general. Also we can claim who that way, the original author of that race, but why?

You're not reading what I wrote. There is no need for some "author" of the race to "choose" the gender ratio. I'm saying that it could potentially be explained in-universe with the Miqo'te being a natural race with no interference whatsoever.

Its the same with the viera problem, that offspring will get there gender in puperty. What was later be cleared by a dev, that they only look alike until they get in puperty. The gender is fixed from day 0.

How would Vieras' delayed gender reveal have any bearing on the "problem" of the gender ratio? It's irrelevant to the matter. I don't know why you're bringing it up.

[Sharindel]

. The reason they think you were created by Azem is because your aetheric signal is similar to azems because soul and aetherial signal are intertwined.

Yeah and now thing about it!
When a mighty warrior creates a soul crystal, he put his experience and knowledge inside a gem and we call it a soul crystal! He created a soul gem by splitting a part of his own soul in that object. That is a form of creation magic and also can distinguish the soul crystals of people, because they imbue it with there own soul.

That is the same concept, if a ancient create something out of his own existence he split up a part of his soul to create something new. That is why Emeth can distinguish it, because it is produced by inserting aether on a concept that contains a part of the soul of a ancient.

This concept is valid because we know from the ancient, that when they want to die, they unmake themself by entering the aetherial sea. And other ancient are born out of that aetherial sea, like everything that has a soul is later also born out of the same spitted version of the aetherial sea. That is the whole concept of mostly any Final Fantasy same, mako energy in ff14 with the soul stream and so on.

And that ancients are pure soul is also valid, because some of the ascians are ancients, like emeth and he needs a body to put his soul in. Also we know from Aulus mal Asina, the scientist in stormblood, that you can cut the soul out of the body and insert them inside other beings. Like in the endwalker quest where we get cut out of the body and inserted in a body of a normal soldier.

The only conclusion we can get out of that is, that soul is aether. And if you build something out of aether that is alive you build also a soul inside of it. The only thing that is valid is, that ancient can't build is "emotions" aka dynamis. Because they never mentioned the concept, that beings with souls produce another form of energy. The only exception of that was a being produced with more dynamis as aether. And that lead to an overflow of emotions and doomed themself. Because it was to to feel all the emotions inside the existence of the universe.

[Sharindel]

You're not reading what I wrote. There is no need for some "author" of the race to "choose" the gender ratio. I'm saying that it could potentially be explained in-universe with the Miqo'te being a natural race with no interference whatsoever.

How would Vieras' delayed gender reveal have any bearing on the "problem" of the gender ratio? It's irrelevant to the matter. I don't know why you're bringing it up.

When you build a fiction it always matters what the author think about a exception of known concept. In our world the reproduction rate of mammals is mostly 1:1 and if you go away from that concept your as the author has an idea. And we can only claim one thing that these author has in mind "i don't know it, it is special form them, because i want it that way". And no you can't explain something in-universe when you don't know the why the author want it that way. You can only make a theory about why this should be that way.

That is why i claim when the author use it for the only known part of the world "eorzea" we can experience in the game, than this concept also goes further to more part of the game, until the author explain why his idea changed. Its the same as you say "humans have normally 1 kid", you think about it and use that rule for everywhere else on the world. When you face a woman on a small island that have normally 2-3 kids and 1 is mostly never, than you ask yourself, why? And than you want to know more! So you try to explain it why. But the why this concept is changed, in a fictional world belongs to the creator, aka the author! So the author is the only valid person who can answer that, you can only make theories. That is why it is not explainable...

... that is why i bring viera on the table. Because in FF14 world building has going down and down, the old lore team was not really a master on world building. But after Natsuko Ishikawa take over as main story lead writer, the world building went down! She was good on creating interesting stories, with interesting characters and moral. But she was never good in world building. That was the point i want to show, with the viera example, we need an author who explain it to us, what the author thing about when known concept we know are changed. That is why the original viera creator was asked and give us his idea of the viera kid concept.

Overall i can say, its not that complicated. You mostly need no answer for such question, normally it would be good, when a new author stay on the old concept. That is why mostly any game has a "lore bible" rules for everything that is build from old authors and can't be changed until you explain it way. But as further FF14 stories went, as more they ignore that lore bible... look at dawntrail, it simply ignore mostly anything of the old lore. We have a g-warrior mecha in our hangar and never use it again, not even when some shards attack us with there airships. Or simply that all the countries on the world have no problem by that one single city state now have access to world dominating technology! FF14 is really bad on world building!