The Male Miqo'te situation of Tural (SE forgetting their own lore?)

[Midare]

They also constantly forget that being the Nunh does not equate to being the leader of a given tribe. It just means that you are the male allowed to reproduce. It's also said that one's duties as a nunh might make a leadership role difficult, so they are often separate roles. However every leader of a sun seeker tribe we've ever seen has been a Nunh.

As per the wiki which uses Encyclopedia Eorzea as its source:

"The Seekers of the Sun are a highly patriarchal culture, with each tribe centered around a strong breeding male (nunh) whose duty is to form a harem and lead his people to glory and prosperity. Young males are born and raised as "tia," and must either assume the position of nunh by challenging and defeating an existing nunh in single combat, or leave the community to find a harem of his own. In particularly large tribes, multiple nunh may coexist in the same community, though such cases are rare."

So yeah, the Nunh is a sort of leader of the tribe, or well, harem.

The culture of the hhetsarro seems to be different and do seem to generally behave differently from Eorzean seekers, but I'd argue that people from a different continent are bound to have different customs.

Also, hi Averax.

[MikkoAkure]

As per the wiki which uses Encyclopedia Eorzea as its source:

"The Seekers of the Sun are a highly patriarchal culture, with each tribe centered around a strong breeding male (nunh) whose duty is to form a harem and lead his people to glory and prosperity. Young males are born and raised as "tia," and must either assume the position of nunh by challenging and defeating an existing nunh in single combat, or leave the community to find a harem of his own. In particularly large tribes, multiple nunh may coexist in the same community, though such cases are rare."

So yeah, the Nunh is a sort of leader of the tribe, or well, harem.

I would be careful about quoting the wiki. That may be what the encyclopedia says in the official Miqo'te section, but Averax is right here.

From an official post in the lore forums Race Naming Conventions:

Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders.

And then the 2nd encyclopedia says:

According to her daughter M’naago, M’hahtoa is the true leader of the M tribe.

M'rahz Nunh calls himself "leader" but it seems like Sun Seeker women let the nunhs pretend they are leader while they're the ones doing the actual work.

[Midare]

M'rahz Nunh calls himself "leader" but it seems like Sun Seeker women let the nunhs pretend they are leader while they're the ones doing the actual work.

So, they pet them in the head and let them play leader?
That's kind of... mean.

But yeah, I guess the wiki doesn't have the info from the 2nd encyclopedia

[Hallarem]

Strongest gets to procreate, and lead the tribe with a vision, ceremonial / hands on leadership, if the tribe is large enough two Nunhs can co-exist I think that happened in the M'tribe. I think in game quests hint at the women being in charge of the day to day leadership. Im pretty sure there is 0 chance that a "tyrant" Nunh can exist.
As its also a thing where the Seekers can just leave and make another tribe with another male.
Keepers send out their males to grow stronger and let them visit the families every now and then in small doses.

But my main point remains, culture aside. Did they forget that males arent born that often and are rare? HASHTAG make lore make sense again.

[Layte_Aeon]

But my main point remains, culture aside. Did they forget that males arent born that often and are rare? HASHTAG make lore make sense again.

Oh well there's a more simple answer to that... they lived on different continents from Miqo'te for millenia. It could quite simply be that Hhetsaro don't have that genetic problem. The Mystel of Norvrandt don't seem to have had that problem either, so it's not without precedent.

[Hallarem]

Oh well there's a more simple answer to that... they lived on different continents from Miqo'te for millenia. It could quite simply be that Hhetsaro don't have that genetic problem. The Mystel of Norvrandt don't seem to have had that problem either, so it's not without precedent.

It has to be the Rroneek poop they use as soap

[Basteala]

For generations, the Seeker of the Sun Miqo’te clans have tightly controlled the birth and survival of male Miqo’te, enforcing a rigid hierarchy where only a single "nunh" is permitted per tribe to maintain dominance and scarcity. A rogue faction of Sharlayans, paid off by the male Miqo’te nunhs, asist in smuggling infant male Miqo'te to Tural using experimental teleportation magicks, erasing their aetheric signatures to avoid detection.

This is the answer I was looking for. I assumed that it had a lot to do with the fact that the Hhestero are culturally very different. In all fairness, this isn't much different from the Shetoni (sp?) in Tural as well. The way bun men are treated there is wildly different from over in the East.

[Catwho]

As per the wiki which uses Encyclopedia Eorzea as its source:

"The Seekers of the Sun are a highly patriarchal culture, with each tribe centered around a strong breeding male (nunh) whose duty is to form a harem and lead his people to glory and prosperity. Young males are born and raised as "tia," and must either assume the position of nunh by challenging and defeating an existing nunh in single combat, or leave the community to find a harem of his own. In particularly large tribes, multiple nunh may coexist in the same community, though such cases are rare."

So yeah, the Nunh is a sort of leader of the tribe, or well, harem.

The culture of the hhetsarro seems to be different and do seem to generally behave differently from Eorzean seekers, but I'd argue that people from a different continent are bound to have different customs.

Also, hi Averax.

One note about the EEs as a source: They're the lore books as they were written by scholars within the game, which is how the IRL lore team hand waves things that got retconned or were just flat out wrong in the first book.

That whole sentence reeks of some Sharlayan scholar who asked G'raha Tia and Y'shtola Rhul five questions while writing up his cultural essay for his 5th form class in the Studium, and the other Mi'qo in the lecture hall rolled their eyes because it's so superficial.

Is Y'Rhul Nunh the only male Sunseeker Miqo in all of Sharlayan in canon? I doubt it.

[Averax]

As per the wiki which uses Encyclopedia Eorzea as its source:

"The Seekers of the Sun are a highly patriarchal culture, with each tribe centered around a strong breeding male (nunh) whose duty is to form a harem and lead his people to glory and prosperity. Young males are born and raised as "tia," and must either assume the position of nunh by challenging and defeating an existing nunh in single combat, or leave the community to find a harem of his own. In particularly large tribes, multiple nunh may coexist in the same community, though such cases are rare."

So yeah, the Nunh is a sort of leader of the tribe, or well, harem.

The culture of the hhetsarro seems to be different and do seem to generally behave differently from Eorzean seekers, but I'd argue that people from a different continent are bound to have different customs.

Also, hi Averax.

Responding to this like two weeks later, but hay girl it's been forever.

[Anonemoose]

It was fan service coomer bait. In the post-Endwalker era, none of the previously established lore matters anymore. We're in a new era for the modern audience, chuds.