All your opinions are wrong

[AvoSturmfaust]

I mean sure BRD is on the level of DNC if you don’t care about proc optimisation

You are probably dropping like 10 casts of emperyal arrow but it does make BRD easier

i drop atleast 50 casts, dude please dont do like the job isnt on dnc level, EA = SS its the same thing dont drift it, the difference is EA gives you a Proc, Prog Optimization for what in which case? Its pretty simple dont OVERCAP keep 3 BL Charges for your Burst, THATS IT, there isnt any more "Opti" and btw the only time EA really matters for your procs is during WM and there is only the decision does a tick come up and i got 2 pitch stacks and EA is coming up, use a 2 stacked pitch, done so please in AP the procs doesnt matter and in MB you got more as enough charges so the chance to overcap if you are not dumb as hell is so minimal


so yea bard really hard job, can eat cookies while playing it and performing a perfect rotation 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

[Supersnow845]

i drop atleast 50 casts, dude please dont do like the job isnt on dnc level, EA = SS its the same thing dont drift it, the difference is EA gives you a Proc, Prog Optimization for what in which case? Its pretty simple dont OVERCAP keep 3 BL Charges for your Burst, THATS IT, there isnt any more "Opti" and btw the only time EA really matters for your procs is during WM and there is only the decision does a tick come up and i got 2 pitch stacks and EA is coming up, use a 2 stacked pitch, done so please in AP the procs doesnt matter and in MB you got more as enough charges so the chance to overcap if you are not dumb as hell is so minimal


so yea bard really hard job, can eat cookies while playing it and performing a perfect rotation 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

Yeah and VPR is on SMN level so I don’t see your problem, hell WHM is harder than VPR

[Valence]

i drop atleast 50 casts, dude please dont do like the job isnt on dnc level, EA = SS its the same thing dont drift it, the difference is EA gives you a Proc, Prog Optimization for what in which case? Its pretty simple dont OVERCAP keep 3 BL Charges for your Burst, THATS IT, there isnt any more "Opti" and btw the only time EA really matters for your procs is during WM and there is only the decision does a tick come up and i got 2 pitch stacks and EA is coming up, use a 2 stacked pitch, done so please in AP the procs doesnt matter and in MB you got more as enough charges so the chance to overcap if you are not dumb as hell is so minimal


so yea bard really hard job, can eat cookies while playing it and performing a perfect rotation 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

Tell me you don't play BRD at high level without telling you don't play BRD at high level...

[AvoSturmfaust]

Tell me you don't play BRD at high level without telling you don't play BRD at high level...

but i play bard on higher level, so tell me lil boy what was wrong what i said? prove me wrong otherwise be quit

[Valence]

but i play bard on higher level, so tell me lil boy what was wrong what i said? prove me wrong otherwise be quit

Do you seriously think that all there is to BRD is found in the GCD, quoting you "a perfect rotation 1 1 1 1 1 1"?
I think we should send Sana the memo to just rewrite the BRD guides with "don't OVERCAP keep 3 BL Charges for your Burst, THATS IT".

[AvoSturmfaust]

Do you seriously think that all there is to BRD is found in the GCD, quoting you "a perfect rotation 1 1 1 1 1 1"?
I think we should send Sana the memo to just rewrite the BRD guides with "don't OVERCAP keep 3 BL Charges for your Burst, THATS IT".

dude that 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 was a joke, you have to add 2 between sometimes xD nah seriously it was a joke

[AvoSturmfaust]

dude that 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 was a joke, you have to add 2 between sometimes xD nah seriously it was a joke

And go ask sana about PROC Optimization, there isnt much to it besides 1-2 small easy rules and most rules are only tied to WM because like i said in MB and AP proc managment comes down to "Use BL before overcapping and try to keep as much as possible for your burst without overcapping" a rule which nearly all classes have with kind of a charge based skill, in AP your procs doesnt matter at all FOR THE ACTIVE PROCESS to keep track of it

[Valence]

Keep digging. It's entertaining.

Edit: to clarify, I'm certainly not saying that BRD is hard, but saying that it's on the same level than DNC when it has to manage PP procs, to manage dots, to manage songs vs downtime, to manage song timers and EA drift and positioning to the second specifically, making the rotation extremely rigid, finicky and sensitive to small changes, all of this which is not something that DNC has to worry about, is pretty unhinged.

[Lanvaldear]

While I agree to an extent, the problem with buffing MCH to be on par with the other greedy dps is that that point, BRD and DNC would be even *more* useless than they already are. The 1% buff they bring already is barely, if at all, worth the dps loss they bring compared to adding a 3rd melee, or running double caster double melee.

The real problem is is that Squeenix seemed fixed on the idea that ranged HAVE to have less dps than melee just because of a raise, despite the fact that melee have just as much support as the "supports" do.

IMO, Strip melee of all their non damaging support abilities; Mantra, arcane crest, feint, ect., and give them to the ranged/casters.
Get rid of the BS "raise" tax, especially after buffing Swift Cast and bring RDM/SMN to more of a level playing field as PCT/BLM. Having that extra raise is simply *not* worth the 1,000-2,000 dps Squeenix seems to think that it is anymore.

Phys ranged in general simply need to do more damage across the board. They're just bad.

[Carighan]

The real problem is is that Squeenix seemed fixed on the idea that ranged HAVE to have less dps than melee just because of a raise, despite the fact that melee have just as much support as the "supports" do.

Although I will say, I would fix this from the other side:

* Caster DPS should deal realistic DPS 10%-20% lower than their target-dummy one, because of interrupted and missed casts due to having to move.
* Melee DPS should deal realistic DPS 20%-30% lower than their target-dummy one, due to a combination of having to disengage and not being able to move to the right spot for a positional (which really ought to come early in combos and abort them).
* Support abilities get meaningful resource costs to offset their use, in return the non-support DPS of support-capable jobs isn't hamstrung by this (not sure what I'd do to offset the ability on non-support jobs yet).

Meanwhile ranged DPS are the one job that always gets to deal their full damage, being both mobile and ranged. This would automatically mean that there's a certain upside an downside to some job roles depending on the fight: The larger the hitbox, the better melee DPS are. In particular in fights without positionals. The more static the fight, the better casters are. The more mobile, the better ranged are. Then rebalance the 1% bonus to work so that you'd always 1 Melee + 1 Caster + 1 Ranged, but the last spot is floating depending on the type of fight.