All your opinions are wrong

[Reginald_Cain]

Idc what anyone says. Machinist should be competing with viper and samurai. So should black mage. Shut up about uptime it's not as big a deal as you hyperbolic mouth breathers say it is. Melee like viper samurai reaper and dragoon are borderline Simon says and aren't harder than black mage or machinist. They should be competitive or get raid buffs or their current kits are pointless. Disassemble sucks. Enochian got nerfed 2 patches in a row because black mage isn't allowed to be cozier to play while being strong. Pictomancer was overturned but clunky and made double cast a viable option again. Now we're forced back in to two melees because square Enix only anders to melee. Bring back bard machinist viability with dragoon and a caster, make it so a res caster and a non res caster can party together too. This game is about being able to play whatever class you want so let's normalize the damage across dps roles. Keep it so we need atleast 1 of each but holy crap all the arguments I see saying ranged jobs are all easy mode and should do damage is ridiculous. All jobs except monk have gcd ranged attacks for disengage. its not op to be ranged anymore. I hate how out of touch the devs have been with phys ranged since they scared of them being slightly over tuned like in heavensward. The fact machinist got ANY potency reduction and no meaningful buffs or fixes to its kit like how disconnected it's are is from single target is pure bs. Delete crossbow, make heat BLAST aoe it's a flipping blast! Give queen aoe or get us bishop back. Stock market level crash out over.

[Reginald_Cain]

Am I also a hyperbolic mouth breather? Yeah but ya know

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

MCH can go back to do damage rivalling the top end again when it goes back to having Stormblood heat + ammo management (which I want). It needs more damage in general, I agree, but certainly not SAM level with the current gameplay flow/loop.

[Shyxx]

As BRD is 3 times harder than VPR and does half the damage there can be no discussion of any kind of "difficulty tax" it has to go no other game has it. Difficulty is subjective anyway my friend cant play BRD or DNC because he cant keep track of procs during the fight while doing mechanics while with melee he can just muscle memory the rotation

[ThurinTurambar]

They could add 'distance positionals' (both close and far) so that it fits their idea of "skill expression" and hence be worthy of good damage.
But on serious note, i dont think all our bitching will do anything as it is not read or it is read but ignored

[AvoSturmfaust]

As BRD is 3 times harder than VPR and does half the damage there can be no discussion of any kind of "difficulty tax" it has to go no other game has it. Difficulty is subjective anyway my friend cant play BRD or DNC because he cant keep track of procs during the fight while doing mechanics while with melee he can just muscle memory the rotation

Please what? I mean i agree Viper is easy but to say BRD is harder, hellll no everything you do is literally pressing 1 button all the time, proc managment? procs are doing a soundeffect, so you dont even need to look at your procs or anything, brd is on the same level then dnc, ezpz classes on the same level as viper but certainly not harder not even close to it

[Supersnow845]

Please what? I mean i agree Viper is easy but to say BRD is harder, hellll no everything you do is literally pressing 1 button all the time, proc managment? procs are doing a soundeffect, so you dont even need to look at your procs or anything, brd is on the same level then dnc, ezpz classes on the same level as viper but certainly not harder not even close to it

I mean sure BRD is on the level of DNC if you don’t care about proc optimisation

You are probably dropping like 10 casts of emperyal arrow but it does make BRD easier

[Taranok]

Please what? I mean i agree Viper is easy but to say BRD is harder, hellll no everything you do is literally pressing 1 button all the time, proc managment? procs are doing a soundeffect, so you dont even need to look at your procs or anything, brd is on the same level then dnc, ezpz classes on the same level as viper but certainly not harder not even close to it

BRD is one hundred percent harder than viper. You have to remember that not everyone thinks the same way as you, and VPR is a snooze fest while Bard is so hard that I literally can't play it in any real content, and haven't been able to since at least shadowbringers.

In an ironic twist, BLM has forever been one of the easiest classes for me to personally play, despite the sit still and cast gameplay, despite the timers. The class has never been especially difficult for me.

My point is mostly, what's easy for thee is not for me.

Idc what anyone says. Machinist should be competing with viper and samurai. So should black mage.

On this specifically, I'd go so far as to say they could cleave out a fourth DPS role. 'Greedy DPS' or something to that effect. These 4 jobs all desperately need to be balanced like each other, and I've maintained this for a very, very long time. There is no purpose to having a MCH if MCH can't pull the damage of a VPR, SAM, or BLM.

[Valence]

MCH can go back to do damage rivalling the top end again when it goes back to having Stormblood heat + ammo management (which I want). It needs more damage in general, I agree, but certainly not SAM level with the current gameplay flow/loop.

Where can I get a refund for my current MCH, because I want to go back to earlier versions?

I mean sure BRD is on the level of DNC if you don’t care about proc optimisation

You are probably dropping like 10 casts of emperyal arrow but it does make BRD easier

Unfortunately beyond PP optimization that is pretty apparent when playing the job at least once, most of the complexity of the rotation comes from its clunk tied to EA, skill speed and drift. Keeping up the burst aligned and all the songs optimized to the second (there is a reason different openers are called like 3-6-9, which correspond to song timers), is another story.
Which also goes to show how hollowed out the design of the job has been over the years, because most of the complexity of it those days is just fighting against the rotational structure, which most people don't see unless they actually try to play the job at high level.

Either way, as someone said above, difficulty is very subjective. I strive with rng and proc jobs but I am absolutely terrible with spreadsheet (old) BLM uptime planning for example, while some friends of mine cannot wrap their heads around rng and procs. I think I'd legitimately, not have difficulties playing VPR at high level per se, but the high APM would definitely distract me a lot from fight mechanics for example, while for some other players, they'd just be baffled by that very idea. I also find BRD very easy (but harder than snoozefest DNC) because I'm used to it, and while it tends to be more demanding than MCH with microcomplexities, ultimately I can play it better than MCH even though I've extensively raided with both, just because I'm more sensitive to APM spamm following a script than what BRD finicky little things to track ask of me. And yes, I do think that rotationally VPR is a joke.

[Rithy255]

Physical range needs a massive boost in damage and utility.

Maybe a wild take but they should at least be around (if not above) where red mage is considering red mage brings a rez that's always instant cast while physical ranged doesn't really bring anything other then a extra mit or healing boost with red mage also has...

Also I agree about the bard statement its honestly one of the hardest jobs to play for me, but keep it that way people like that job and just because I struggle with something doesn't mean it has to be changed.