Ninja's aoe (and maybe mch) being pitifully weak for M6S

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Yeah. Sure. Swapping jobs is so trivial in this game, the high-end content (EX/Savage/Unreal/etc) really ought to be balanced for specific setups. Maybe even hard-require them.

I don’t really see how anyone can view this as anything different to the PCT situation. If you supported nerfing PCT because of its FRU performance BECAUSE it was also above average or really good in everything else then you should support nerfing VPR for exactly the same reason

I personally prefer classes have actual niches which is why I didn’t support them nerfing VPR but it’s a bit hard to not feel vindictive when they not only nerfed PCT but basically ruined the class in one shot. Is this gonna be in VPR’s future or is it fine because it’s a melee

A difference I'd say would be picto was strong due to the fact that they benefit from downtime.

Vpr suffered as a gauge job not being able to benefit from downtime, only to even out once we arrived at phases where VPR can get 90 gauge into the next phase for FRU and eventually being dominating in P5 where it actually matters.

Ninja on the other hand, just has a aoe kit that has been an afterthought since EW, and the only reason we didn't care is due to the lack of adds.
All they got were unintended nerfs to doton due to unintended usage causing it to be shorter from 21 to 18 which didn't matter much besides affect TEA and eventually, the removal of prepull doton in EW.

When DT was released, I'm interested on how they turned shoha to always be a cleave, then when it came it, turns out, ninja basically got nothing special besides tenri jindo, that's all they have. Hollow nozuchi is nearly useless in this fight.

I'd call this a balance issue not because vpr is overly strong, I'm calling it out for was it even considered that ninja's aoe hasn't been updated at all aside from being unintentionally nerfed?

Our filler is nearly useless in aoe, it does not need to be this useless and I've already described a number of details just from my own perspective. This is neglect by an afterthought for ninja's aoe, not because vpr is strong.

Do I need to go on an elaborate detail on what MNK, DRG, SAM have as well for natural cleaves they have? I don't play those jobs and yet I'm able to recognize why they're still very much capable.