Hey Square Enix, that is the level we except in cut scenes!

[Teno]

OP, why even compare the quality of these 2 games, they are nothing alike. One is pure anime while the other is just completely different. Might as well compare it to ffxvi then, and I'll take ffxvi anyday. Off the top of my mind, stuff like wuthering waves has been done by tales of games for decades now, literally the same thing it's nothing new.

If anything I'd be more keen to compare ffxiv to wow, where wow has been stepping up their cutscene game tremendously, if only visually, with all the animation details on the characters. This would be a better comparison point.

[Astraturnal]

Well for what it is worth 1.0 did have more life to the scenes and character motion, but clearly it was too resource intensive to carry over. The biggest issue with this game's overall presentation "feel" is that they wanted this game to work with ps3 hardware originally, which meant the engine was always going to have severe limits. To get animations like what you see in gacha games (which rake in money) you will have to wait for a whole new finial fantasy mmo altogether.

[Kozh]

Oh come on now... Look at BG3, even if you go way beyond what they offer in-game (yes, mods), the cutscenes involving your character are still flawless. They are not voiced for the sake of roleplaying yourself, but they are very well animated. They do display the full range of emotions based on the context of the dialogue, and they are not standing there with a blank mind and face waiting for everyone to finish.

SE just got comfy with their slop. I will forever die on the hill saying they had 11 years to re-do from the ground up the entire engine and coding behind it. It was a decision to milk it to fund their FOM trends that had long passed by the time they engaged with them.

Also there are highly successful games recently released that were entirely coded by a very small group of people, and some done by only one, Mannor Lords is a prime example of this.

So when it comes to manpower and the systems (game, code, severely outdated ingame systems, and the jazz) that are still stuck in 1990, SE does not have any excuse.

Bruhhh come on... I freaking love bg3, but saying it has better cutscene is hilarious. Most of bg3 cutscene you mentioned are the one where characters standing around with he camera zooms in so you can only see their upper half body. Cutscenes that shows full body aren't that many, and actions scenes are even rarer.

Bg3 facial animation and body movement during conversation are good because they're mostly mocap.

[Kohashi]

Bruhhh come on... I freaking love bg3, but saying it has better cutscene is hilarious. Most of bg3 cutscene you mentioned are the one where characters standing around with he camera zooms in so you can only see their upper half body. Cutscenes that shows full body aren't that many, and actions scenes are even rarer.

Bg3 facial animation and body movement during conversation are good because they're mostly mocap.

My dude, you haven't paying attention apparently. Even if they are in the background, your companions will have different reactions based on their backgrounds and the situations, they will also intervene if they got something to say. Also, mocaping is cheaper than animating manually. There is no reason for SE not to do it..lol.

Also, apparently, you haven't been playing BG3 since patch 3 or something. You should do another fresh run and check all the new stuff they added because what you are saying is extremely outdated.

[Kozh]

My dude, you haven't paying attention apparently. Even if they are in the background, your companions will have different reactions based on their backgrounds and the situations, they will also intervene if they got something to say. Also, mocaping is cheaper than animating manually. There is no reason for SE not to do it..lol.

Also, apparently, you haven't been playing BG3 since patch 3 or something. You should do another fresh run and check all the new stuff they added because what you are saying is extremely outdated.

Now you are comparing different system entirely.. jesus... just stick with WoW as comparison pls, at least it's another mmorpg.

Mocaping still require animator to fix the animation. FF14 utilizing both custom animations and existing emote animation is most likely to be cheaper.

I have multiple playthrough, and my most recent one is Honour mode after patch 6. I haven't tried patch 7 yet since I don't want to get burnout before playing the new subclasses in patch 8. So don't talk to me about "not paying attention".

[ONLYSTEEL]

Also, mocaping is cheaper than animating manually.

This is only true if the manual animator wants to reach the same quality as the mocap.

It's 100% not true for Square Enix because they don't care about quality. Their cutscenes are garbage outside of CGIs.

[Nadda]

Come on, that is totally white knighting for square enix. Why are you that way?

White Mage actually.

And all I was assuming was the way the cutscenes were made were completely different. And it is apples to oranges because they are different games with different methods for the cutscenes. One is within game and the other is some sort of mocap/CGI thing separate from the game itself.

It was just a reasonable defense of FF14 and what they are able to do within the game proper.

I never enjoy comparisons like this because points like these just go "Well what if this was that" - well FF14 is not that. It's not an indictment on FF14, and it's not an endorsement of FF14.

Just because one video game does something better than another video game doesn't always mean it translates or is applicable to other games.

This idea you have is a fanciful musing but it doesn't really have a lot of depth other than you want more visually dynamic and emotionally expressive cutscenes.

That alone is fair enough. I don't disregard the merits, and it is something that, on occasion, FF14 is completely capable of. So if the demand is for more of those, good.
I don't see the harm, where you lose the plot, it just rings a bit hollow when there is more of an expectation that isn't grounded in reality.

It be like showing Ace Combat gameplay and asking why we can't have Air Combat battles with our mounts like Ace Combat... Iunno.
See? The proposition doesn't have anywhere to go from there. There's no oxygen to breathe into it. I find those types of arguments reductive. Why can't have every game be everything we want... Things just aren't made to be perfect that way I suppose.

Anyways - I'm sorry if I caused any frustration; I was just expressing my assumption on the matter and this is just my general opinion. Feel free to disregard.

[Sharindel]

White Mage actually....

Please get back to reality. I do not compare the games! I compare the cut scenes!
Like you compare the production quality of movies, who good they are made technically, who good they deliver the scene to the viewer, with animation and sound. How well they deliver it to the viewer! You are the one who simply want to change that valid criticism of square enix cut scenes by diverting the arguments to "you can't compare a mmo with a solo gatcha game" you are nuts to think anyone will fall for such a cheap trick!

But let us even compare two games from the same developer! FF14 with FF15. Both are from Square Enix, but use the same engine "luminous engine", FF15 is miles ahead from FF14 in production quality! And no you can't compare the one is a single player game and a mmo again, the cut scenes are made in the same way! With the same engine, with the same tools! There are only thing that is different is the production quality! Because they do not want to invest as money and time in FF14 as in FF15. And that make no sense! Every patch they get 60$ a full AAA game in subscription and lets say half of that is eaten up the monthly cost of servers! They have enough money to bring us the quality of FF15 and yes also the quality of a game like wuthering waves. Even World of warcraft have more quality now! So why we are not at that point that we now get the quality of FF15 or even better, than to create FF16, they use all that effort in giving us a 100% remake of the engine? No! They do not have the money and the menpower for it? They have a whole company who have build more than one game! SE is simply greedy and do not want to invest money we give them to deliver us the fucking best game on the market.

Also we are discussing on a personal level! You want you opinion i want mine? And that is fine!
But look at the user rating of Dawntrail on Steam, look at this forum and all the disappointment that Square Enix deliver, watch youtube where even people out of the movie industry going nuts about the wuthering waves quality, while they never watch dawntrails cutscene because they are not even worth to review them! Overall you can argument what you want, but the big mass of opinions together matters and that opinion is very bad for SE and SE is doomed when they go that path further! They are even on a worse path as World of Warcraft was in there huge quality gap!

And yes we can compare air combat in FF14 with Ace combat! Because we have air combat in the golden saucer! But i think ace combat would win! Also you cause no frustration, i know people like you, who try to distract and white knight for a company and i am to old for that bullshit! It is always the same in everquest and all the mmos i played since that game! The only thing that make me a little bit sad is, who bad you are in a discussion, the white knights of the old days where much more capable of.

[Lorika]

Maybe your devs watch this and yes it is japanese! Wuthering Waves 2.2. Story and Endboss Cutscens: https://youtu.be/XXsmvmlBiOA

1) It's a gacha Game
2) and Kuro Game is Chinese XD

I am long standing Gacha Player and i will give you a rule of the thumb : Your Gacha have awesome 3D graphics with very good 3D CS? Then it's either Chinese or Korean (and if it's Borderline H.... Then it's at 95% sure to be Korean XD)

in fact the last 2 really successfull Japanese Gacha Dev are : CyGame and it's Subisidiary (GrandBlue Fantasy, Princess Connect, Uma Musume), WFS and it's Subsidiary (Another's Eden, HeavenBurn Red, Tribe 9).... And they aren't know to be at the top 3D Wise.... And all their CS are Anime XD.

So, well, sorry to make you come back on earth, but it's a japanese problem as a whole.

[Kozh]

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Okay at this point you're trolling.