Hey Square Enix, that is the level we except in cut scenes!

[LoganMccree]

Also we are discussing on a personal level! You want you opinion i want mine? And that is fine!
But look at the user rating of Dawntrail on Steam, look at this forum and all the disappointment that Square Enix deliver, watch youtube where even people out of the movie industry going nuts about the wuthering waves quality, while they never watch dawntrails cutscene because they are not even worth to review them! Overall you can argument what you want, but the big mass of opinions together matters and that opinion is very bad for SE and SE is doomed when they go that path further! They are even on a worse path as World of Warcraft was in there huge quality gap!

Dude this forum is full of white knights and RMT bots, you ain't gonna convince anyone. These people will defend SE to death because it's their identity even though this game is basically a rotting corpse at this point. Everything about FF14 is garbage. Unsub and move on, this game is unsalvageable and is basically an ERP hub in 2025. Why do you even care about a doomed game?

[Lorika]

Dude this forum is full of white knights and RMT bots, you ain't gonna convince anyone. These people will defend SE to death because it's their identity even though this game is basically a rotting corpse at this point. Everything about FF14 is garbage. Unsub and move on, this game is unsalvageable and is basically an ERP hub in 2025. Why do you even care about a doomed game?

Yeah and you you are at the total oppiste of the White Knight...Which isn't either a reference point XD

[DiaDeem]

[At0msk]

Meanwhile in FFXI, made with a PS2 devkit for an engine that's over 20 years old...

https://youtu.be/pzYilp0K_Dw

[DiaDeem]

[Sharindel]

Dude this forum is full of white knights and RMT bots, you ain't gonna convince anyone. These people will defend SE to death because it's their identity even though this game is basically a rotting corpse at this point. Everything about FF14 is garbage. Unsub and move on, this game is unsalvageable and is basically an ERP hub in 2025. Why do you even care about a doomed game?

Correct and i know it. But i want FF14 to be a great game, so i must discuss and argue even with such people. It is clear FF14 Dawntrail is bad and FF14 overall in the last years is awful. From the wasted potential of the garlean empire in the story, to the ikea style raids (assembly instructions included), to the non existence of endgame for non raiders. FF14 is stuck int he past and the only way to change it, is to say "SE you are doomed on your way". At least i tried it!

And yes, FF14 cut scenes are cheap to produce and a company like it cheap, so more money for other projects and the stock holders. But we are in 2025 not 1997, where FF7 was the great deal of a game. SE must accept it, there former glory is gone! If you ask today "what is a great j-rpg" you do not point to Square Enix, you point to other companies. Companies who fully voiced there game, with great cut-scenes, with a decent story, new mechanics and not a simplistic class design. They go full on new and exciting. But FF14 is on fast food level, IKEA style! As cheap as possible that they have time for other games.

What would be, if SE stop wasting our money on other projects, and invest that money on making FF14 the best mmorpg on the market. Without a item store, to maximize the profit, because we already pay 15$ a month to not have that! Where the cut-scenes where on the level of a wuthering waves, there engine top notch and even when they need to rebuild everything. No we get the next reskin of items, bosses, music remix number 2001 and so on. But the only way to say "SE stop, go on, invest" is to say what is boring and low level quality. Like the cut scenes and even when it gets white knighted. At least i try to say it.

[Sharindel]

[Lorika]

FFXIV 1.0 CS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAifwGuWAro
The full moCap for CS was one of the reason for 1.0 faill.... because it took them too much time to do it and cost them an arm....Thus making downtime between update patch enormous and with little content to boot because of thoses CS.

What you are posting, Gacha Game CS, are just a tottally wrong exemple.
It's like comparing an MMo extension with a "classic" game add-on.

[Sharindel]

FFXIV 1.0 CS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAifwGuWAro
The full moCap for CS was one of the reason for 1.0 faill.... because it took them too much time to do it and cost them an arm....Thus making downtime between update patch enormous and with little content to boot because of thoses CS.

What you are posting, Gacha Game CS, are just a tottally wrong exemple.
It's like comparing an MMo extension with a "classic" game add-on.

Sorry, i must rob you from your delusions.

1. FF14 1.0 was in an overall poor state. From outdated concept to bad game design and horrible gate keeping. That compete with world of warcraft, mostly any mmo in this time failed! And FF14 1.0 was not a good one! To blame that on the cut scene time, come on that is cheap!
2. Also look at FF16, lets say they build that game in 6 years. We have about 22 hours of cut scenes. We could say that was about 18 minutes of cut scene per month. So 73 minutes of that quality of cut scenes would be on the same level per patch! Did we get that? Also for the same price as FF16. 60$ of subscription.
3. Also i know what i am talking about! Motion capturing today with all the new technology is faster as do a animation by hand. The only reason why in ff14 is faster, because they of the lack of quality! Even an AI can produce better cut scenes now!
4. Also what is the problem with compare the production quality of a modern mmo with an modern mmo? Take wuthering waves or genshin impact, that are solo/coop mmos! There is no difference, they all tells a story, with dungeons, with bosses, with over world, the only eception is, that they have no raids! And in this example raids do not matter, because it is only the production quality of cut scenes. The animation developers never works in raid design anyway!
5. Also wuthering waves has a patch cycle of 2 months! Not 4. But they have 3-5 times more people and that is the reason why SE is so cheap! They do not invest, they can take the money went to everywhere on the world and build up a studio who exclusively produce the cut scenes. But they do not want it! They want to be as cheap as possible.

And if anyone comes again with the "its a gatcha game" example. listen to me: "You look down on a genre that you think is a cheap shot again you loved mmo from square enix. But they have better cut scenes! That should you be ashamed of you beloved game!"

[Kozh]

Calling someone delusional when you're the most delusional one certainly isn't an irony /s

"Solo mmo" tf it isn't lmao
The coop limit is, what, 3 person? Try again when WuWa can host more than 24 person at once (and I'm being generous here)