Please reduce tank healing power by a lot

[Rithy255]

Ehh i disagree with making the healers have more mitigation tools for the tank specifically.
Reduce tank healing i agree completely, but the tanks should have the full agency in their survival against tank busters imo

Give healers more group mitigation instead and reduce some of the power of reprisal or other group mits the non healers have

Healers are fine in group mitigation

Tanks do not need their current excessive mitigation kits, they already have agency to still survive busters, Healers should be given more agency over bad/lacking tanks in most forms of content, in harder content giving both healer and tanks some shared mitigation agency on said tank is something called teamwork.

Current tanks being mitigation bots is boring at this point, that's literally all they do I want tanks to actually do stuff that feel like they're protecting people not just being a boring mitigation bot.

[Arohk]

Tanks do not need their current excessive mitigation kits, they already have agency to still survive busters,

spoken like a true casual.

Go do savage, then talk again.

[Rithy255]

spoken like a true casual.

Go do savage, then talk again.

I've done savage (if you want to stalk me too bad its on another character, though you might be able to find some real old ones if you look far enough), thanks for your immature post though assuming peoples opinions on things they must first be a savage raider to dare speak their mind. Though Even saying that I don't feel like my full kit was actually needed anyway lol. Please stop using "go do savage" as your only argument

It's so nice of you to only respond to half a line that misses the point, I think harder content we should have some more (aka buffing their single targets) responsibility on healers to help keep tanks mitigated for busters

My point still stands that tanks do not need a excessive mitigation kit like they do for 90% of content, I certainly didn't need as much mitigation as I did for the first tier this expansion, I obviously still used it but I didn't "need" all of it.

[Arohk]

I've done savage (if you want to stalk me too bad its on another character,

funny how everyone has always done savage and ultimate on another character.

[Nero-Voidstails]

do savage then come back to speak. you are aware that everyone have the right of speech? savage ultimate casual all can voice and the go do savage is bad answer and will always be.
oh ya and also PEOPLE HAVE CLEARED ULTIMATE WITHOUT HEALER! whatever you do if a content can be done without a healer the Trinity isn't working at all. So stop seeing the game into your own eyes and see the bigger picture. job identity have been strip away for only one reason to make the game less stressful and they made the game so easy that more then half the healer kit is barely used in general in the game. But right I don't do savage so my opinion doesn't matter right? I don't want to scrap my sleep schedule for a game so my opinion doesn't count? as much as I think there is a part of the true in every place the job are balance with savage where I think the job should be balanced toward dungeon then make savage about the jobs. we wouldn't be in this situation if they would have kept it the way they used to making a fight not a memory game but a real mechanical fight with buffs debuffs that aren't just more damage and less damage. so please stop saying do savage then comeback to speak about this is always a bad argument because not everyone have the time or energy to deal with pf not can be in a static.

[Valence]

spoken like a true casual.

Go do savage, then talk again.

I did plenty of savage and share their opinion anyway. They don't need them one bit, at least not the massive healing parts.
They didn't need that when they didn't have such bloated self healing either and managed to do fine with their mitigators and their healers. Yeah, that green role that used to play together with tanks.

[Arohk]

without a healer the Trinity isn't working at all.

The holy trinity is an outdated concept anyway, it only works in very slow paced games.

lets see, what happens when you remove most of mitigation and self healing/support tools from tanks. what do you have left ? a simple 1-2-3 rotation and some damage burst, since aggro manegement isnt a thing in this game.
I like to have some support tools as a tank. throw n a party shield or heal that can make the a difference on the raidwide, or throw a shield to a dieing player to save his butt.

[Supersnow845]

The holy trinity is an outdated concept anyway, it only works in very slow paced games.

lets see, what happens when you remove most of mitigation and self healing/support tools from tanks. what do you have left ? a simple 1-2-3 rotation and some damage burst, since aggro manegement isnt a thing in this game.
I like to have some support tools as a tank. throw n a party shield or heal that can make the a difference on the raidwide, or throw a shield to a dieing player to save his butt.

Your entire point even admits the problem if tanks didn’t do the healers job would be then the tanks wouldn’t have a job. Isn’t that just an argument that tanks should be asking for their jobs back

[Carighan]

Your entire point even admits the problem if tanks didn’t do the healers job would be then the tanks wouldn’t have a job. Isn’t that just an argument that tanks should be asking for their jobs back

I mean GW2 did it. Or so they thought. In fact GW2 is an interesting exploration into why "not" doing trinity-based classes (shame that we only have 3 basic roles nowadays instead of the full 6 ;_ does not work out the way players always insist it would. :')

[Rithy255]

funny how everyone has always done savage and ultimate on another character.

*sigh* this is exactly why because you got people like you who go out there way to stalk profiles lol.

I have no reason to lie about doing savage, even so people who haven't done savage should still have a voice, I just don't particularly want to have my main character associated with forum people like you in paticular.

No I'm not some hardcore god raider where my opinion is more important then everyone else either, I casually raided savage through PF, I'm not exactly a god gamer but I'm allowed a opinion.

(this character should also have a really old p1s, couple of exts cleared in EW so if you wanna be a weirdo and see for yourself I've even done older content on this character lol)