FFXIV totems need to change

[Collin_Sky]

Oh my sweet summer child, you have clearly not spent time mount farming in other MMOs.

The totems are respectful of your time. I know people who are still grinding out Invincible in WoW from an expansion that came out in 2008. 99 totems may feel excessive but it's bad luck protection. If the mount has a 1% drop rate, it's ensuring you do the exact amount of clears needed to ensure you're not going over that 1% worth of effort.

That way, you don't have to replicate the experience of someone like me, where a 1% drop took me 1262 kills to get:



I want the wings as much as anyone, but asking you to do 99 kills isn't terrible in terms of a grind, especially considering you can keep doing it and don't have to wait for next week's reset like you do in most other MMOs.

There it is. I was waiting for someone to post something stupid like this.

"Other games have it worse, therefore this isn't bad."

Both situations are bad. Both disrespect the player's time. Just because one is worse doesn't mean the other isn't still a problem.

It's like saying you shouldn't complain about your broken leg because someone else broke both legs.

[Remarus]

There it is. I was waiting for someone to post something stupid like this.

"Other games have it worse, therefore this isn't bad."

Both situations are bad. Both disrespect the player's time. Just because one is worse doesn't mean the other isn't still a problem.

It's like saying you shouldn't complain about your broken leg because someone else broke both legs.

You're right, mounts should just be a 20% drop rate so they're DOA in Party Finder a week after patch. You should also get 12 totems per kill so you don't have to do more than 8 kills to get it.

It's meant to be something to work towards, as well as provide an incentive for people to run it more than a short handful of times. Sorry you're having bad luck with some of these drops, but the system is place is far better than the industry standard. Including the Gacha games mentioned earlier, which, btw, cost real money to get the things you want the grand majority of the time.

[Collin_Sky]

You're right, mounts should just be a 20% drop rate so they're DOA in Party Finder a week after patch. You should also get 12 totems per kill so you don't have to do more than 8 kills to get it.

It's meant to be something to work towards, as well as provide an incentive for people to run it more than a short handful of times. Sorry you're having bad luck with some of these drops, but the system is place is far better than the industry standard. Including the Gacha games mentioned earlier, which, btw, cost real money to get the things you want the grand majority of the time.

Incredible use of critical thinking there. Instead of acknowledging a reasonable request, you jump straight to an absurd extreme, as if people just want mounts handed out automatically after one clear.

The reality is simple: some extremes drop 2 totems, others only 1, despite minimal differences in difficulty or clear times (often just a few minutes at most). People are merely asking for consistency across the board by making all extremes drop 2 totems.

Additionally, the 8 month wait is excessive by any reasonable standard. That’s the very definition of disrespecting the player's time.

You look incredibly childish when you say things like "well they should just make the drop rate 20% so we can be done in 12 kills" instead of acknowledging the actual request the OP made.

[MitsukiKimura]

You're right, mounts should just be a 20% drop rate so they're DOA in Party Finder a week after patch. You should also get 12 totems per kill so you don't have to do more than 8 kills to get it.

It's meant to be something to work towards, as well as provide an incentive for people to run it more than a short handful of times. Sorry you're having bad luck with some of these drops, but the system is place is far better than the industry standard. Including the Gacha games mentioned earlier, which, btw, cost real money to get the things you want the grand majority of the time.

Honestly it's a bad system if I have to wait 8 months just to be able to purchase the mount with the totems. If the player chooses to grind the 99 totems they should be able to pick up the mount within a month release or so. Having to wait that long isn't respecting the players time that's just dragging content for as long as you possibly can which is a theme for them with not unlocking the tome cap as an example.

[Kuroka]

I want the wings as much as anyone, but asking you to do 99 kills isn't terrible in terms of a grind, especially considering you can keep doing it and don't have to wait for next week's reset like you do in most other MMOs.

As Pointed out many times before, the 99 isnt the problem, the wait is. Even more as they nerf the droprates after some time and let us unsync em... AND give em away for basically free during mogtome. They dont hold any value at all, so this is just pointless.

Personally, after being forced to do 100 runs with no mount, all they manage is burning me so hard that i havent touched a single Unreal trial since their launch and reaching heavensward era...

[Sifpatata]

Oh my sweet summer child, you have clearly not spent time mount farming in other MMOs.

The totems are respectful of your time. I know people who are still grinding out Invincible in WoW from an expansion that came out in 2008. 99 totems may feel excessive but it's bad luck protection. If the mount has a 1% drop rate, it's ensuring you do the exact amount of clears needed to ensure you're not going over that 1% worth of effort.

That way, you don't have to replicate the experience of someone like me, where a 1% drop took me 1262 kills to get:



I want the wings as much as anyone, but asking you to do 99 kills isn't terrible in terms of a grind, especially considering you can keep doing it and don't have to wait for next week's reset like you do in most other MMOs.

A criticism but I hope you don't take it badly... it's not right to romanticize and normalize that kind of farming, it's disgusting and that's why MMOs in general don't usually attract attention as they used to.

The post is a constructive criticism for the future of the game and be a little agile process, I'm not saying that the mount should appear for each clear is simply an idea to abandon that farmeo so much and old that year after year is becoming heavy.

[Ath192]

A criticism but I hope you don't take it badly... it's not right to romanticize and normalize that kind of farming, it's disgusting and that's why MMOs in general don't usually attract attention as they used to.

You do understand the concept of optional content don't you? Can you explain why everything in the game must be a joke to get? You're talking like these mounts are some core aspect of the game when in truth they are irrelevant as hell. Don't take this badly but don't you think its entitled to force the devs to cater only to your preferred version of looting?

I for one enjoy getting these EX mounts when I don't feel like starting another game and have done everything else I'm interested in the game. They're something mindless I can grind.

This game already gives out "relic" weapons like candy. If you can even call them that anymore.

[ServerCollaps]

You do understand the concept of optional content don't you? Can you explain why everything in the game must be a joke to get? You're talking like these mounts are some core aspect of the game when in truth they are irrelevant as hell. Don't take this badly but don't you think its entitled to force the devs to cater only to your preferred version of looting?

I for one enjoy getting these EX mounts when I don't feel like starting another game and have done everything else I'm interested in the game. They're something mindless I can grind.

This game already gives out "relic" weapons like candy. If you can even call them that anymore.

yeah, people should get over that "I have to get everything mentality" Its a theme park in the end. Not every attraction is made or supposed to appeal everyone.

[All_Nonsense]

Oh my sweet summer child, you have clearly not spent time mount farming in other MMOs

You sound ignorant. I'll feed the troll because I'm bored. Also I was right lol see what I said?

I've farmed more in other MMO's than I have in FF14 - it might be one of the primary contributors to my animosity towards game devs intentionally wasting your time and calling it "content." So lazy. You're being so disingenuous by claiming that the game is respecting my time by listing some random grind from WoW and having a crisis over it. I'm surprised you accepted that and said "Good content I need more of that" instead of at least starting to think that maybe that's not a good gameplay model. Expecting people to farm something for 20-30 hours because there's literally no other current "casual" content to play is the reason why the player numbers are cratering. It's bizarre that neither you nor the dev team in the billion dollar company have made the connection that doing things to intentionally waste people's time as opposed to actually developing an engaging endgame is starting to become a really dated design model and is losing the interest of a vast majority of players. Unless SE is going to rely on their boomer-bux to pay the bills, of course (I think they want the numbers to fade down to the Heavensward Gordias numbers that's my tinfoil hat theory). I'm not quite a boomer so I'm just mentally tired of recognizing the same exact pattern of "content" repeating and realizing it's just a treadmill with a bad story now. Also people keep trying to trip you on the treadmill (that's party finder ). There's been zero innovation in MMO "grind" gameplay for 20 years now and the industry numbers are reflecting it. I can't say it's a childish thing for me to realize as I get older that time is much more valuable than I thought it was, and to respect my own. On the contrary, you know it's ok to expect more from the billion dollar company right?

Why not make the totem requirement 300? Why not take them away so it'll make people play it more? Why not assign any arbitrary number to it? If we didn't use a base-10 numerical system would the number of runs we'd need to complete be 60? 144? See how silly it is when you strip it down?

If the grinders want content, sure, make them content that they can smash their face into for 300 hours like Diadem or some raid. But don't make it literally the only thing to do if you're not going to savage or ultimate raid. There's no endgame content that isn't exactly what we've been doing for 12 years now. Is that an unreasonable ask for $15/mo?

[Jeeqbit]

They always used to give 1 totem. I agree that there being 2 totems made the grind less painful. However, SE said it was becoming a pattern and they didn't want to give 2 totems forever; it was only intended because they felt the fights were "longer than normal" (didn't always notice this, personally).

Having cleared this extreme trial, I don't actually agree that it's very hard. I personally think the ice phase in Sphene's Burden is harder to get right.

Both the normal version and the extreme version of Recollection are very easy once you're used to it, tbh. The problem is the huge variation in strats people use. Literally every party is using very different strats, so make sure to list every one of them in the description.

If you want to do a trial once, that's up to you really, but personally I like the experience of farming it. Not everyone seems to get that this is one of the basic ways you get social interaction in the game, and helping people get through it has been social just like all the other Dawntrail extremes were for me.