Thread: State of Machinist 7.2

Originally Posted by mallleable

Also gonna point out that anyone asking for MCH to get a raidbuff are asking for more job 'homogenization.'

Well, their mit buff got homogenized first.

Anyway, the problem is that they're applying a "ranged tax" to their DPS compared to all classes at as a whole, and not a "ranged tax" to what they are: a selfish DPS class. If they're going to have a "ranged tax," it should be compared to SAM, VPR, BLM, not compared to "every other type of role." But they don't think, so.

Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean on the one hand we ask for failure states and skill expression (Black Mage discussions), but then we don't even want walking casts where you commit to the button you've pressed?

I think it's pretty obvious why walking casts on filler, like in pvp, aren't good as added "commitment".
It doesn't work in PvE because there is no decision to make on whether or not to commit to it. You have to keep your GCD rolling and you have to use your filler or you will quickly fall behind in heat and battery generation, messing you up for the rest of the fight.

There isn't a situation where you can just decide to delay your "cast" of Split Shot because you know you won't be able to slowly waddle into the safe spot for the next mechanic, that option simply doesn't exist without a fundamental rework to how a vast majority of job rotations work.

Originally Posted by mallleable

DNC, and by extension NIN already have 'caster mechanics.' DNC dance steps, and NIN Mudras ask you to do a series of zero damage 'do nothing' steps in exchange for burst damage -- kinda like PCT's Motif, and Muse system that asks you to take a 'do nothing' action in exchange for burst damage. I don't think, and I don't think they think that DNC should have walking casts as evidenced by DNC not having them in PVP unlike the rest of the phys ranged. DNC (and GNB) do have walking channeled abilities, which yes please add this mechanic to PVE as well -- imagine being able to move while using Flamethrower.

There is a major difference between Dancer's steps, Ninja's Mudras and Picto's Motifs compared to Machinist's walking casts.

While the first two also can't be readily cancelled they do not limit your movement and consequent ability to not fail the increasingly frequent mechanics spam.
Picto's Motifs on the other hand have what Machinist would be lacking, the freedom to wait until you find a window to commit to the cast safely.

Originally Posted by Carighan

Eh, that's no difference than hardcasting.

The skill is in prepositioning so the time between casts is enough to slide-move into position for the next mech, and/or pacing your instant-cast tools to be available and last you through extended movement situations.

/shrug

It's entirely normal to do?

Alright, I don't know how often I'm supposed to rephrase why it doesn't work.

Go into the game, switch to machinist, put your walk button on a hotkey, go into a dawntrail fight (normal raids would probably be ideal) and switch to walking speed every time you do your Split Shot-> Slug Shot-> Clean Shot filler combo, importance on actually trying to do a proper rotation and not just sitting on your filler for like 5 seconds doing nothing.

Then come back and tell me how well that worked.

It isn't anything like hardcasting. There is no period of no movement transitioning into normal speed and Machinist isn't as freeform as BLM, RDM or Picto where you can save instant casts for movement heavy phases.