Does Yoshi P Hate FF9?

[Onshinn]

Dude Don't make sense why would the man hate FF9 ...

[keluenpol]

Oh, God, agree on this.

As FF9 fans, I want shallow fan services just like another FF series in this game.

Where is Kuja? Where is Quina? Where is Freya? Why Necron is not the last boss?

It's disappoint me when Beatrix is Mecha.

[Cleretic]

Tbh surprised that we are at the 5th addon and only touched a few ff7 and ff10 bosses. How long do they want us to wait for them?

I think VII and X have aesthetics that are just barely too specific to get easy references; even for the blatant fanservice XIV likes fitting them into the world, and XIV's world just doesn't have VII's level of cyberpunk and bio-horror in much of it (Garlemald provided a decent share, but VI and XII were shorter walks for reference bosses so they got more of them), or FFX's level of Polynesian seafaring aesthetic. They have both had quite big moments, though: we've got a Golden Saucer, materia, and a literal Lifestream from VII, and X is the root for stuff like the hrothgar and Anima, and I'd argue Fake Amaurot in Shadowbringers is basically Zanarkand.

There might also be an element that VII and X are The Big Ones, the ones everyone knows, so there's a bit more scrutiny when they crack those out for explicit references, people are less inclined to just clap that it happened at all. All of that basically means that while they do take the chance to do those references, they're references you really have to take a running shot at; you can't just casually go 'hey here's Kujata' and then call it done in the same way they could for, like, Number 024 and Number 128 in Stormblood.

[MikkoAkure]

There might also be an element that VII and X are The Big Ones, the ones everyone knows, so there's a bit more scrutiny when they crack those out for explicit references, people are less inclined to just clap that it happened at all.

One funny thing is that Dawntrail got a whole race ported over from FFX as an “Allied Society” complete with a theme mixed with a song from FFX and a lot of people I’ve talked to who are big fans of FFX didn’t even notice.

[Exmo]

Ten seconds of research.

https://automaton-media.com/en/final...-in-dawntrail/

Explaining his initial reservations, Yoshida adds that “FFIX is a masterpiece, and everyone has a strong emotional attachment to it, so I wanted to avoid consciously pulling the story too much in that direction. However, I now think that the current flow of the story is appropriate in light of future developments.”

[Commander_Justitia]

All of that basically means that while they do take the chance to do those references, they're references you really have to take a running shot at

I would have really liked to see anima and magus trio as ex trial or part of a raid, instead of an easy dungeon boss...So that was a miss.

[Cleretic]

I would have really liked to see anima and magus trio as ex trial or part of a raid, instead of an easy dungeon boss...So that was a miss.

They've said that back when they planned Endwalker as two expansions, the final raid was gonna be Anima. We know very little about the rest of that version of things, so nobody can tell you if the Magus Sisters faced the same fate.

I get feeling like we missed something there, but with Anima specifically I think it was a good move. As much as I love Anima's design... they kinda aren't doing a whole lot, they'd be a bit of a dull boss for an extended period in this game.

[Cilia]

One funny thing is that Dawntrail got a whole race ported over from FFX as an “Allied Society” complete with a theme mixed with a song from FFX and a lot of people I’ve talked to who are big fans of FFX didn’t even notice.

To be fair, the Pelupelu aren't exactly the most iconic thing to come out of X, even if a fully developed Dock Poga looks suspiciously similar to one of Rin's Travel Agencies. I'm not the biggest fan of the source game but I did play it, and I didn't even remember the Pelupelu existed until I went and looked them up in a wiki.

[unlimitedBLACK]

When Kozama'uka was first previewed and we were told about the pelupelu, I suspected that we might be getting a Moonflow expy with a shoopuf ferry driven by the hypello. And then NONE of that happened... which, y'know, it's fine, just because it occurred to me doesn't mean it had to happen.

When it comes to stuff from the earlier games, and 9 in particular... part of the issue is how much stuff has already been lifted at this point in the game's lifecycle. The Prima Vista showed up in Return to Ivalice, the Ark and Cruise Chaser both showed up during Alexander, Quan is referenced in the Hildibrand quests as Gigi's creator (who is, in turn, an expy for Vivi), the Jester Twins are Vauthry's henchgirls in Eulmore. Some of the things that are most iconic from 9 are things that were already done in the game in some other manner, like Alexander himself or Odin or Bahamut exploding things. Getting MORE explicit with references, like straight-up lifting Kuja or Garland to the same extent that the Crystal Tower or Golbez and the Four Fiends were dropped in might not be the automatic success that some folks seem to think.

Besides, doing the Fusoya version of Garland when the Dissidia version or the Stranger of Paradise Chaospuncher Garland are there feels like it would fall flat.

That Sphene's narrative feels like an upside-down version of Garnet's story is a way of subverting expectations while also providing a bit of fan service for folks who played 9. And that's the same with the translations of Steiner and Beatrix

[Cleretic]

Besides, doing the Fusoya version of Garland when the Dissidia version or the Stranger of Paradise Chaospuncher Garland are there feels like it would fall flat.

Personally I think IX's Garland would be the most entertaining and effective Garland for XIV to do, because I think Dissidia Garland just wouldn't really have a place in XIV, and Stranger of Paradise Garland is my least favorite protagonist across all video games I've ever played, and a man whose charisma is entirely dependent on you actively disliking the story he's in; he'd be downright toxic in XIV, where we mostly like the story but there's some people who really want to crack out the pitchforks.

...but also, the fact we've got Garlands already kinda covers that one; just because they spell it with an O, doesn't mean they aren't a Garland for all intents and purposes.