Does Yoshi P Hate FF9?

[thegreatonemal]

Most of the last arc is a pretty blatant ff9 reference. The three unsundered are the three angels of death causing chaos to replace the souls of the current world with those of the past. Metieon has the exact same motivation as Necron and the same goal.

[VictorSpoils]

1) FFIX is highly controversial™ and the black sheep™ of the franchise and 2) it was a tremendous misconception to assume this was a FFIX expansion. People were really telling themselves VPR was an ode to Zidane when his job is already in the game and his weapon doesn't split into two.

[Cleretic]

1) FFIX is highly controversial™ and the black sheep™ of the franchise and 2) it was a tremendous misconception to assume this was a FFIX expansion. People were really telling themselves VPR was an ode to Zidane when his job is already in the game and his weapon doesn't split into two.

...I'm not sure you know what game Final Fantasy IX is. It's been beloved for pretty much its entire life, barring some people who had kneejerk negative reactions going from the Dark And Serious VII and VIII to the very Disney-esque IX. It's one of the most broadly well-regarded games in the series across all regions; it's frequently ahead of XIV, with the largest poll to my knowledge being done in 2020 and putting IX at fourth, with XIV in fifth. (X, VII and VI were ahead of it.)

And Zidane actually does connect his weapons in FFIX; item synthesis lets you jam two of his daggers together to make a dual-bladed weapon, which is his other weapon style. Dissidia adapts this by having him do exactly what Viper does.

I'd recommend playing FFIX, since you don't seem to have any experience with it. It's a good game, you'll probably like it.

[VictorSpoils]

...I'm not sure you know what game Final Fantasy IX is. It's been beloved for pretty much its entire life, barring some people who had kneejerk negative reactions going from the Dark And Serious VII and VIII to the very Disney-esque IX. It's one of the most broadly well-regarded games in the series across all regions; it's frequently ahead of XIV, with the largest poll to my knowledge being done in 2020 and putting IX at fourth, with XIV in fifth. (X, VII and VI were ahead of it.)

And Zidane actually does connect his weapons in FFIX; item synthesis lets you jam two of his daggers together to make a dual-bladed weapon, which is his other weapon style. Dissidia adapts this by having him do exactly what Viper does.

I'd recommend playing FFIX, since you don't seem to have any experience with it. It's a good game, you'll probably like it.

I've played it twice, actually. Though that assumption is not entirely unsound considering how many detractors of other FF games admitted to not even playing them. FFIX not appearing in other media as often as other FF games has always been a sore spot for you guys.

Unfortunately, Dissidia is its own canon and does not represent the gameplay of each individual FF game. Like, there's a composite WoL character for FFI and Y'shtola can wield Thyrus as a weapon alt. Synthesis is also an asspull since the dual weapons do not disconnect and none of them resemble their individual counterparts, nor does that feature play into the VPR weapons in XIV. It would be more logical to assume they were an ode to the judge weapons in FFXII, which do disconnect and happen to go nicely with the Law's Order Scouting set as you probably saw.

Regardless, I don't recall any mention of Yoshi saying there's a job connection. Though given his track record lately (whether he's been misconstrued or not) that would probably be for the best.

[Cilia]

It would be more logical to assume they were an ode to the judge weapons in FFXII, which do disconnect and happen to go nicely with the Law's Order Scouting set as you probably saw.

Regardless, I don't recall any mention of Yoshi saying there's a job connection.

Considering the heavy influence of IX on Dawntrail you'd have to be a huge dummy not to draw the connection; and while Ivalician influence on XIV is undeniable, Dawntrail's had it as light as it's ever been. (Whether you personally like that is another matter).

[Brightamethyst]

1) FFIX is highly controversial™ and the black sheep™ of the franchise and 2) it was a tremendous misconception to assume this was a FFIX expansion.

Those takes are so hot I had to don protective gear just to post this reply.

[Doomed_Raven]

The Western province in Shadowbringers (Kholusia) and it's city Eulmore gave me quite strong FFIX vibes. Hobgoblins, a colourful banner strewn castle, the music. And then at the gate town we see (spoiler about SHB gate town quest)

female versions of Zorn and Thorn appear, the red and blue jesters who compliment eachothers sentences with rhymes

. But also the viper class though I'm not that far in, I think is a joinable twinblade that Zidane uses. There's gear that looks like Vivi. Some minions. There's a few little things that come to mind, others might know more. I think I read somewhere Yoshida wants to respect FFIX though rather than take too much from it.

This game does have a tonne of nods to other games, including outside of the FF franchise. The flying whale, floating islands and sky pirates in the Sea of Clouds is a big love letter to Skies of Arcadia (legendary RPG from the Dreamcast)

[Cilia]

7.2 continues piling it on:

-The Underkeep is essentially a combination of Alexandria Castle, which was already seen in the Alexandria dungeon, and the Desert Palace, continuing the trend set up in 7.0. Numerous architectural features, such as the main hall and half-spiral staircase, are ripped right from IX itself. The final boss of the dungeon, Valia Pira, is (visually) identical to the same boss from IX.
-While her name is changed to suit XIV Alexandrian theming, Zelenia (presumibly from "Selenium") is a dead ringer for Beatrix - even as a giant killer robot, her appearance, personality (as remembered by Sphene), rose motif, and battle theme song all make it blindingly obvious.
-Sugar Riot will summon both the Gimme Cat and infamous Yans from IX in her Savage fight as adds.
-Howling Blade's Fenrir-granted abilities being both Wind and Earth based (as opposed to the usual Ice) references how in IX Fenrir used either Earth (in conjunction with Titan) or Wind if you had the right equipment. The face of IX Titan shows up on the pillars he tries to crush you with, and one of his attacks is "Terrestrial Rage," like Fenrir normally uses when summoned in IX. Fenrir's "solo" summon which activates if Eiko is equipped with the Maiden's Prayer, "Millennial Decay," has him split into multiple copies to attack a target - referenced in Howling Blade's overwhelming speed letting him do the same thing. Howling Blade's face while transformed resembles Fenrir's from IX, his Fenrir bits (like the tail) have the white / yellow / blue palette of IX Fenrir, and even ring name pays homage to Fenrir's epithet of "Howling Beast."
-Tomestones of Mathematics gear resembles or is identical to characters and / or NPCs from IX (such as the Tank gear looking suspiciously similar to Steiner's armor, helmet excluded).

So, ah... yeah, I don't think Yoshi-P hates IX if he greenlit all that.

[Cleretic]

7.2 continues piling it on:


So, ah... yeah, I don't think Yoshi-P hates IX if he greenlit all that.

The OP made this thread after 7.2 was released, and part of his 'evidence' was that Zelenia wasn't called Beatrix. So he was aware of all this, and just decided it was evidence of a hatred of IX, because the game wasn't going 'look at this shallow fanservice' and was mostly spending its time doing more thoughtful and elaborate things.

They never posted in this thread again after that, so I don't think there's any point in acting like they're still here to argue with; it was just a drive-by, trying to start an argument with an incendiary comment rather than have a conversation.

[Veritas-Ancora]

The OP made this thread after 7.2 was released, and part of his 'evidence' was that Zelenia wasn't called Beatrix. So he was aware of all this, and just decided it was evidence of a hatred of IX, because the game wasn't going 'look at this shallow fanservice' and was mostly spending its time doing more thoughtful and elaborate things.

They never posted in this thread again after that, so I don't think there's any point in acting like they're still here to argue with; it was just a drive-by, trying to start an argument with an incendiary comment rather than have a conversation.

Nope, still paying attention. I don't troll threads by posting every five minutes. Play the game and have a life and whatnot.

Still rings true that other games receive carbon-copy exact replicas and IX does not.