Content Creators and Youtube

[Kaurhz]

Hm? Problem? The game has always had problems, and people have always pointed them out. That's the point of my post here. I'm open to hear your elaboration should you like to have a conversation about it.

I think the issue with it that they are eluding to is that their idea of addressing feedback is to:
1. Nuke the content out of the game (Diadem)
2. Plunge the content into obscurity to where it has very little measurable impact on the content loop (e.g., Grand Company updates)
3. Cut a bunch of the side stuff (Concealed nodes, Diadem, general depth from crafting)

They rarely actually examine the issues and the reasons why people take issues.. Their entire feedback mechanism is built on... See issue? Remove the associated content or render it to obscurity, rather than thinking why, and how they can actually improve on the content and address those issues.. Take Coven weapons for example from the Diadem EM... They had vast negative feedback, but instead of thinking "Maybe the issue is that we incorporated layered RNG", e.g., random weapon on top of random stats... They go... "No we need to remove this", and since this very time over 8 years ago they have been deathly afraid of doing even a minutiae of change in their rigid gearing structure, and this has only spread to every facet of the game.

Same exact story with the relic system going from ShB -> EW... The ShB relic wasn't immune to issues, it had very glaring issues... But their solution? Nuke it, not improve it. Hence why we had a glorified tomestone farm, which in no way shape or form transformed the core content loop.. It was simply do roulettes or do hunts (Which people were doing anyway courtesy of the weekly capped currency)

[Kozh]

My dude, watch his video in its entirety. Him saying that healers are boring was just one of the points. Also, I have yet to see somebody who constantly complains about the simplicity of healers in this forum to get a 100% parse log (casual content included). So perhaps pressing 1 button is not that easy after all. Most people ranting about healers can barely keep their dot up, let alone score anything above grey, so, give me a break.

I'm sorry, what? You were the one who brings up him saying healer is boring, so naturally I only commented on that. I did watch the video, assuming we're talking about the same thing since you never specify which. Literally all his points arrive at the same conclusion: current state healer is boring and monotonous unless everything goes wrong because your party fk'd up. Which we can argue is not a good job/role design.

"Give me a break", why don't *you* give me a break? Not everything in this game needs to be cleared with 100% parse log. And how is that even relevant to how fun a job is played anyway?

[Yoshihara]

My biggest complaint about the content creation community is people like you, who jump from streamer to streamer demanding they bend the knee and agree with everything, who can't take anything that is a criticism, valid or not, of the game or an opinion that is different than your own and create hate threads on them, like their passion and love for the game is something to be driven out of the community JUST because they want better or do not like the game in its current state, accusing the time and effort they put into their videos as nothing more than rage and clickbait.

You know what's rage and clickbait? Your thread.

[ONLYSTEEL]

Bro was literally asking for that when he elected to invoke the parse mentality with an argument. Far be it for me to say but if you're going to try and laud over a group of people or a forum with parses then your own best be pretty immaculate, otherwise things like this happen.

The proverb... There are always bigger fish in the sea is very apt right about now

Well, too bad they deleted it so fast.

[Kaurhz]

Well, too bad they deleted it so fast.

Ban hammer, any% speed run.

I don't think I've actually seen something get taken down so fast. - Surprised their comment didn't get taken down tbh, as the implication of their post was that "people are too inept to press even 2 buttons and that their opinion doesn't matter if they don't have a gold parse" (Who even unironically says that), which if I am honest is about as tame as the removed post

[RaideDuku]

I find that content creators "critiquing" the game come in 3 flavors:

1. Actually critiquing the game and having rational, well thought out criticisms and proposes possible solutions.
2. Doesn't really care, just rage-bait for the clicks lol
3. They have made the game their entire personality and now that it has had one bad/mediocre expansion, it does not reach their unreasonable expectations and they feel betrayed and now are lashing out with a rage akin to being a jilted lover, or if Yoshi-P personally came into their house and murdered their childhood dog in front of them. You know, things that would warrant the all consuming frothing hatred on display.

So...pretty much these forums.

[ForsakenRoe]

Bro was literally asking for that when he elected to invoke the parse mentality with an argument. Far be it for me to say but if you're going to try and laud over a group of people or a forum with parses then your own best be pretty immaculate, otherwise things like this happen.

The proverb... There are always bigger fish in the sea is very apt right about now

Parses are a bunch of BS anyway. I got an orange in the last tier of EW as WHM. What did I do differently from other runs? Far as I can tell, nothing. Just Crit more, probably.

Got a Pink on M3. How? Got the SCH book as a drop week 1 and outgeared almost every other SCH player in the game.

But even then, the metric is flawed. Who's the better healer, the SCH who dumps every Aetherflow into ED, and forces their coheal to pick up the slack? Or the SCH who spends some of their AFs on things like Indom and Soil, but has a lower parse as a result? The one that should be rewarded for 'better gameplay', is not the one that gets the shiny gold number on the funny number website.

Doesn't take Gold parses to see that there's room for improvement in a Job's kit. Doesn't require me to be a Gold on MCH to see that the job's struggling, or a Gold on BLM to say that the new 7.2 changes go against what the job has always been about gameplay-wise, or a Gold PCT to say that it's pretty weird that Hammer is so disincentivized in the rotation compared to 'press 123 more'.

Assuming you are talking about the user I assume (if it is, they've tried to pull the 'complainers don't have good enough parses to be complaining' card before), I have higher bests than them for M1-M4, I think that Healers need some adjustments, and I will keep saying that they need adjustments until they actually get some. And no, +5p to our DOT is not the 'adjustment' the role needs. I think about the adjustments the role needs, and what is feasible to implement with such a tight development schedule as they seem to run on over there, often enough for me to spend multiple hours writing on this forum about how I'd go about adjusting each of them. Funny thing is, I got more enjoyment/engagement/'fun', out of writing all of that wishful thinking about the Healers, than I have gotten from any EX roulette run as a Healer in the past... multiple years?

Oh but wait, because I don't have all Gold parses, me asking for Healer kits to be adjusted is invalidated, presumably?

[hydralus]

It did seem like a simpler time when drama/clickbait grifters didn't infest the community. That said the forums has always been a pretty mixed bag overall.

[TakoyakiLala]

I don't know; haven't payed attention. What I do know is that Sophia is canonically the cutest Miqo'te in the world! Sufferhymn's content is fantastic! ^^

[ONLYSTEEL]

Assuming you are talking about the user I assume (if it is, they've tried to pull the 'complainers don't have good enough parses to be complaining' card before), I have higher bests than them for M1-M4, I think that Healers need some adjustments, and I will keep saying that they need adjustments until they actually get some

I think Kohashi specifically elected to say "where's your 100 parses" because they think no one on these forums would have any. I showed them one of mine, I think it was a lucky week 2 reclear, and I have a few more from early clears. Got deleted (and banned) very quickly probably because he got super mad lmao.

Meanwhile they haven't even cleared a tier.

But the fact they even think 100 parses are impressive says it all. Most of those are just early lucky runs. But even getting a true rank 1 from ShB and onwards more often just involves farming high crit% runs again and again, sometimes even asking your static to sandbag for you to get a good kill time or adjusting their rotations to accomodate rDPS. It just proves that you're willing to grind. Even in SB a lot of rank 1s are padded. Honestly going for rank 1 in this day and age is not impressive. All it shows is that you're willing to waste tens to hundreds of hours on a single fight and to get a group of friends together who care enough about this to grind it out. It's fun for a tier or so but it quickly gets boring. If he was actually in a position to critique others' logs he would know all of this. (Although some people who succumbed to the parse brainrot really deluded themselves into thinking that getting a rank 1 means exceptional skill).

Actually I don't even know what this has to do with content creators but I just love jumping onto an easy self-inflicted own.