Can I have my Scions back?

[Asari5]

the scions have interests on their own. let them persue them in side quests instead of msq statists. that would serve them way better

doesnt mean they have to be banished from the msq forever

[Leon-Valeren]

I'd love to see new dynamics for the scions! Wish they would have seperated fr so they could explore their own paths outside of the group for a bit, the impact to meet them again would have been so much bigger if we didn't meet them one patch later as if nothing happened. Also as much as i love the twins, it's starting to get old we always travel only with them and not with urianger or others in the beginning of a story. It feels predictable and doesn't offer anything new. I was actually super excited to hear we gotta have a competition with the scions but beside some rolling rocks there was nothing about it
I don't hate them, it just disappoints me that they became more and more bland with time. I do need to feel that at least someone opposes the WOL, maybe that's why I enjoy erenville so much because he isn't a yay-sayer all the time.

Overall i'd love to see the dynamics change, since SHB we stagnate kinda. New characters help too tho i wish we could feel less of a plot armor too. More bravery to change some things would be AMAZING! (Just imagine one of the twins would have been in the bubble yk OR EVEN THANCRED dad becoming old... So much potential!!)

[Sunhwapark]

New Game +

[chip793]

I really hope the sterility caused by their absence stops being an issue with whatever cast we get in 8.0.

[Nadda]

I mean, are all of them working together as a team including Thancred, Estinien and Urianger? I like the new characters but I don’t think the MSQ is magical anymore and that is making me upset. We could have Thancred watching for clues about new Sphene, Urianger and Yshtola talking about the Endless, Estinien fighting against the machines and with only that 7.2 would be so much ALIVE.

I miss my favorites :-(

To be honest. Besides the over use of Wuk Lamat (I think she was fine for the first leg of the story becoming dawn servant)

A lot of the issues people have with a lack of involvement of the Scions really comes down to this.

They are complete characters.

Urianger. Thancred. They were the oldest members of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. They aren't really needed right now.

Alphinaud and Alisae - The thing about the last 10 years of story was just as much the Leveilleur story (to include Louisoix) as it was Zodiark-Hydaelyn.
Far as I'm concerned the twins story for the time being should have been paused as they rebuild Garlemald.

Like people don't enjoy the WoL being a side kick. I don't like Scions being sidekicks to the WoL and that's what the twins have been reduced to... that's why they feel so out of place.
They feel out of place because they don't belong here and I don't mean this in a cruel way.

The Twins I know would not have just been sent away from rebuilding Garlemald.

You cannot develop more characters that have already been developed. At least not so close to a resolved arc.

It makes more sense to save the twins for a future story. Garlemald is in ruins but that doesn't mean all the nations of the world the Empire has wronged will simply let bygones be bygones. Dalmasca is a good example.

If I were the main writer I'd save the twins for story that was about diplomacy and the damaging effects war has on people and how to move forward.

When there's a world ending threat naturally the gang should all get back together.

And that's sort of major the role Estinien plays. Estinien is the JRPG "Second strongest to the main character" Shows up early to carry the squad then shows up again for the big bad at the end.

You'll most likely see all Thancred, Urianger and Estinien again for the big bad in 7.5

Y'shtola makes sense being here since her whole character motivation is to explore all the shards.

Krile and G'raha being our NEW travel companions makes sense. They are mature but naive.
Krile desires to prove herself.
G'raha desires to go on adventures.

SADLY... both characters have been under utilized. Part of that is Wuk Lamat but another half of that is trying to include Scions who don't need to be around in the story right now.

[OzumaKuma]

Change is good. New blood keeps the old from going stale.

[Auro_Seldaris]

Send the WoL to another plane where they are weak and helpless. Forced too earn their op status back and a way home.

Problem there is the simple metaphysics of reality. The Source always gets stronger at the expense of other shards. So to find a shard where everyone was VASTLY more powerful than the WoL would come off as a hamfisted lore-breaking ass pull. If they were going to weaken the WoL it should have happened at the conclusion of EW, but we're WAY past the exit now, no throwing it in reverse and backing up the plot highway now.

Path Companion stuff, snip...

I legitimately thought this was what Arenvald was going to be. He was practically being set up as our apprentice. Both him and Fordola were, in different ways. Both of them needed to learn how to better use the Echo/Resonance. Arenvald was willing to jump in the fray to protect people, sure, but he needed to see a veteran in action and learn self-confidence from them. Fordola needed to learn about the Echo and how it influences our perception of the world, i.e. learn to see things through other people's eyes... a lesson in the empathy she was denied from people as a child. I was certain ONE of them at least was going to be bumped up to regular cast member status, but... nope. They both got shoved off in a role quest and we shuffled right on with the same cast. I would have loved for them to continue the pattern of introducing new regular members of the main cast. To be fair we did gain Krile (DT), G'raha (EW), and Estininen(also EW). We just should have balanced that out by rotating some of the cast in and out.

To be honest. Besides the over use of Wuk Lamat (I think she was fine for the first leg of the story becoming dawn servant)

A lot of the issues people have with a lack of involvement of the Scions really comes down to this.

They are complete characters....

Part of that is Wuk Lamat but another half of that is trying to include Scions who don't need to be around in the story right now.

We've disagreed on some other things, but I'm 100% with you on this post. Agree fully with everything you said. I really do feel like Thancred should have died. He's come to terms with F'lahminn and especially Minfillia, he's raised another "Minfillia" he can be proud of. His emotional arc is as over as it gets. He should have either kicked it in Ultima Thule or just settled down with F'lahminn or something. Urianger's emotional arc over Moenbryda is over, now that he's come face to face with her parents and grieved over her. It would have been thematically appropriate for him to remain on the Moon, with the Loporitts that share Moenbryda's upbeat and cheerful personality, and learning as much as he could from the Observer. Maybe those two could come back at some point or another, but truthfully they don't really have much plot thread to weave anything out of now.

Y'shtola is the only one of the Big 3 whose plot is still ongoing, and so she's perfectly fine to be here, though her lack of enthusiasm about the Thunderdome was a bit uncharacteristic during 7.0.

The Twins have literally no reason to be here. They contributed nothing, and learned nothing because they haven't experienced anything that they haven't already seen before, unless they're going to pick a new ruler of Garlemald with an elaborate Easter Egg hunt. In fact, given the fact that Alisaie didn't really interact with the sick kid and didn't really seem to want to look after the poor little oprhan urchin kid that she's usually such a sucker for( see: Ga Bu, Halric....), their characterization seems to have actually taken a few steps BACKWARDS.

I don't think people would have been nearly as annoyed with the story of DT if they had simply given those characters a breather and just let the newer cast have more room to shine.

Totally in agreement with you here.

[sindriiisgaming]

I mean, are all of them working together as a team including Thancred, Estinien and Urianger? I like the new characters but I don’t think the MSQ is magical anymore and that is making me upset. We could have Thancred watching for clues about new Sphene, Urianger and Yshtola talking about the Endless, Estinien fighting against the machines and with only that 7.2 would be so much ALIVE.

I miss my favorites :-(

it would not be wise to continue to shoehorn scions in where they are not wanted or needed. let the game develop other characters for once. the scions arent going to leave the game.

To be honest. Besides the over use of Wuk Lamat (I think she was fine for the first leg of the story becoming dawn servant)

A lot of the issues people have with a lack of involvement of the Scions really comes down to this.

They are complete characters.

actually an argument can be made yshtola's character is not complete, we have a whole subplot with her blindness thats been completely dropped

[smashBG]

I think I'd like to see them rotate out the Scions who've had their growth arcs already (Thancred, Urianger, Estinien, Alphinaud) to give the others a chance to develop, and also add some new blood to shake up the group dynamic. Bringing Erenville on as our natural sciences expert is a good start, and Krile & Graha have potential as an "inquisitive explorers" duo. Y'shtola's a given, with inter-reflection travel on the table. They could do something interesting with splitting the twins and having Alisae try to step out of her brother's shadow. And we're due for a tank next expac, so I could see 8.0's guest star filling in there. Now we just need to find a healer who knows about our weird interdimensional problems and might be interested in proactively defending their home against them

[Auro_Seldaris]

it would not be wise to continue to shoehorn scions in where they are not wanted or needed. let the game develop other characters for once. the scions arent going to leave the game.

Unfortunately, given the quality of writing of the new characters introduced in DT, I would rather just keep the Scions, thank you. They shot their shot with Wukie and company, they failed. I still don't know why people complain about the Scions when they only started getting development in the previous two expansions. As I've pointed out before, Y'shtola spent the bulk of 3 expansions either disappeared, half-dead and in a coma, or hiding in the woods on another shard.

It's like watching Star Trek The Next Generation and saying, "okay, this Captain Picard guy has had his time, we had two seasons of him, let's get some new characters in here." (The joke here being that the first two seasons of Star Trek TNG were terrible, and the show didn't actually get good til the 3rd season. However, it didn't do so by changing out the cast willy-nilly, but by... you know... telling good, compelling stories. You don't HAVE to get rid of characters, just... write them well.)

actually an argument can be made yshtola's character is not complete, we have a whole subplot with her blindness thats been completely dropped

If you read the post, Nodda does say that Y'shtola is the one who makes sense to be here, as she's the only one with an unfinished plot - discovering interdimensional travel. And due to the interdimensional travel aspect with the key, she and G'raha have the most reason to be here in DT.

Also, her "Blindness is killing her" plot is actually just a translation error/localization error. That plot point literally does not exist in any other version of the game, only in the English localization.

I think I'd like to see them rotate out the Scions who've had their growth arcs already (Thancred, Urianger, Estinien, Alphinaud) to give the others a chance to develop, and also add some new blood to shake up the group dynamic. Bringing Erenville on as our natural sciences expert is a good start, and Krile & Graha have potential as an "inquisitive explorers" duo. Y'shtola's a given, with inter-reflection travel on the table. They could do something interesting with splitting the twins and having Alisae try to step out of her brother's shadow. And we're due for a tank next expac, so I could see 8.0's guest star filling in there. Now we just need to find a healer who knows about our weird interdimensional problems and might be interested in proactively defending their home against them

Gosh, if only there were a character who has been stated to have training in the healing arts, with believeable characterization, who has a very good motive for joining us on interdimensional adventures to counter the mysterious organization exploiting her homeland. I'm sure that person doesn't exist. Or if they do, they'll just be brushed out of the plot quickly and unceremoniously.

We ARE due for a tank. And... wouldn't you know it, there's a character we just met in this expansion who's a Warrior, who's more than willing to stick around far past her expiration date.... hmmmmmmmmmmmm...