Can I have my Scions back?

[Turethir]

Just going to say I'm with you OP; I like the Scions and I miss them too. I don't think Dawntrail used them well, and I think they should be rotated in and out rather than having them all there at once, but I still want to see them

[Auro_Seldaris]

I'm tired of the scions. They all know the WoL too much, and can't oppose the WoL at all. Even Thancred couldn't seriously oppose the WoL and had to playfight you instead. I think new characters is the right direction.

If the MSQ isn't magical anymore then it's just a problem with how they developed the characters, and doesn't mean we should go back to the Scions tbh.

Zero was being done well, for example, but obviously they got thrown into the void (literally). Yet, they could have instead ended up traveling with us to a new area, getting manipulated and fighting us, then rejoining us. Interesting sort of stuff that isn't the bland scions.

Zero was never going to be A Thing. I've watched a lot of sci-fi tv and she had "And Special Guest Star Tillda Swinton as Zero" energy all over her. She was never going to join the Scions or Students or whatever. It would maybe have been an interesting dynamic but you have to remember, the Japanese place a high emphasis on "Agreeability" , socially. ESPECIALLY among friends. Any character with friction was never going to stay, I mean they have a track record of writing them out or just killing them off. Moenbryda, Ysalye, Fordola, the list goes on. Hell, it would have been compelling as shit to have ZENOS join us, in true Dragon Ball, "I defeated you, therefore I befriend you" fashion... but considering how rabidly some people hated him, that was NEVER going to happen.

And frankly, given what we've gotten in DT so far, I would rather just have the Scions back, thank you. I find it funny that people are tired of them, when they've only recently started getting characterization.

I mean, people talk shit about Y'shtlola, like she didn't spend almost the entirety of HW in the lifestream.

And almost the entirety of Stormblood in the hospital.

And half of Shadowbringers hiding innawoods.

No wonder she's barely a character, she's been half-dead for nearly the entire game. She's barely even BEEN a character. Granted, all of their characterization has been completely run off the rails by Yawntrail, but that's not their fault as characters that the writers just didn't realize their stories had progressed. Honestly, it feels like Hiroi stopped paying attention to them after ARR and just... wrote them like they were back then, bland exposition dumps with barely any personality. I could go on and on about how their characterization got absolutely shit on in DT, but I won't. My point is, there's literally only one compelling character in the "new DT cast", and she was JUST introduced to us in 7.2.

[AnnRam]

I mean, are all of them working together as a team including Thancred, Estinien and Urianger? I like the new characters but I don’t think the MSQ is magical anymore and that is making me upset. We could have Thancred watching for clues about new Sphene, Urianger and Yshtola talking about the Endless, Estinien fighting against the machines and with only that 7.2 would be so much ALIVE.

I miss my favorites :-(

This must be trolling or something.

More than a decade with the same cast to the point that the director doesn't even know where to put them anymore and there is absolutely nothing else left to explore their development in the story and yet you want more of the same?

[Syrun]

They should have stayed dead at the end of EW

[Auro_Seldaris]

This must be trolling or something.

More than a decade with the same cast to the point that the director doesn't even know where to put them anymore and there is absolutely nothing else left to explore their development in the story and yet you want more of the same?

How is it trolling ? Those actions/situations would be infinitely more interesting than more Wuk Lamat rambling about peas and happyness and tacos. Or more OBVIOUSLY EVIL SPEEN. Or more Sad Lizard Kid.

At any rate.... Yoshida created the problem himself. By several accounts, Ishikawa wanted to actually kill them off in EW, at least the Big 3. Yoshida vehemently disagreed, his producer brain reasoning being "But I need them for Trust System". So they were kept, out of perceived necessity, even though their arcs (barring Y'shtola) were mostly resolved. Hence the weird limbo where they're not dead, but they don't really have any idea what to do now. Hence their weird, half-hearted inclusion in DT.

They should have stayed dead at the end of EW

For dramatic and thematic reasons, I actually agree with this, with the exception of maybe Y'shtola, whose arc isn't even done. But here we are, in a Limbo of Yoshida's own making.

[chizLemons]

At any rate.... Yoshida created the problem himself. By several accounts, Ishikawa wanted to actually kill them off in EW, at least the Big 3. Yoshida vehemently disagreed, his producer brain reasoning being "But I need them for Trust System". So they were kept, out of perceived necessity, even though their arcs (barring Y'shtola) were mostly resolved. Hence the weird limbo where they're not dead, but they don't really have any idea what to do now. Hence their weird, half-hearted inclusion in DT.

Where is the source of that? Because I don't think that's true.
I looked it up and only found this interview about Ishikawa talking about how the ending went precisely how she wanted it to go.

Having the Scions give their lives in the struggle against Meteion in Ultima Thule was breathtaking, and that's exactly the way Ishikawa wanted it. "I didn't want the battle against the despair of the stars in Ultima Thule to be a contest of 'who's got the better way with words,'" she says, adding that the Scions all expressed despair when descending from the Ragnarok, but these words were only a small part of their story.

"I thought it would be better to 'finish off' each Scion in a way that the player can't see," Ishikawa adds. The writer wanted players to "believe and continue forward" with the hope that the Scions would eventually reappear. It's those who forged ahead and believed, Ishikawa says, that were treated to experience the ending with the Scions returning.

I love the Scions, and I want more of them. They all still have a lot to offer, as long it's a good writter in the helm. That being said, in Dawntrail they're all acting out of character and have no purpose being there.
I want them to change writers or learn how to write them again, not get rid of them.

[CidHeiral]

I like the Scions well enough but they're at a point where they're not adding much to the story beyond just appearing to appease their superfans. They need to either experience some radical growth or transformation or be sidelined long enough for their reappearance to mean something.

[Gyson]

I like the Scions well enough but they're at a point where they're not adding much to the story beyond just appearing to appease their superfans. They need to either experience some radical growth or transformation or be sidelined long enough for their reappearance to mean something.

I don't really get that. I look forward to MSQ updates because I think of the Scions as my character's close friends, and it's just naturally nice to have those friends around. I don't look at my real life friends and think "Bob needs to show some radical growth or transformation or I'm just not interested in being in his company any longer". Sometimes it's just nice to be in the company of people you like and are comfortable with.

I honestly wish the Scions were inserted into content outside of the MSQ/raid quests. Considering Tataru's involvement, I was really disappointed they weren't the last visitors to my island sanctuary. I would love to come across Alphinaud and Alisaie just present in a crowd enjoying the festivities during one of the game's holiday events. It would just give the impression that they're out there living their lives in the moments between our adventures.

Anyway, I feel like the Scions have had more than enough growth at this point. Aside from obvious events coming down the line (e.g. Y'shtola finding a way to travel between worlds and possibly spending most or all of her time on the First) I don't have any major expectations for any of them, and I'm fine with that. I'm happy to enjoy adventuring with them just the way they are. I feel like our characters have earned the right to just enjoy adventuring with them without any of them inserting self-inflicted drama anymore.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I would rather new characters with the scions playing a smaller role. Just not poorly written and horrendously voice acted characters like Wuk Lamat. I don't want to see Wuk again after this expansion, not even for a throwback 'hey look our old allies showed up to help'. Throw her in the bin ty.

They had so many good moments to put in some heavy stuff with the scions, like Y'shtola and her eyes, she was using her life force to see and yet nothing has come of it. Bored of the plot armour the scions have. There's no stakes in the story with the scions being the main cast.

[Regis_Paran]

I like the Scions well enough but they're at a point where they're not adding much to the story beyond just appearing to appease their superfans. They need to either experience some radical growth or transformation or be sidelined long enough for their reappearance to mean something.

I see this sentiment being repeated. But it's all in the hands of the writers. It's their responsibility to create good stories for the characters.

It was not Krile decision to to act like she barely existed in DT. Or WoL acting like a third class retainer.

There can be as many interesting new stories for Scions as for any new character. As long as the writers are capable of delivering. But at this point it seems they aren't. And considering all DT characters are little more than a cardboard cut outs - I'd rather have my friends around, thank you very much.