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    7.2 MSQ potential future plothole depending on 7.3 direction with the Dawn Grail.

    So the villains obviously want the key.

    Obviously we don't want to give said villains said key.

    Luckily said key is an object, and in the Shadowbringers post patch, we utilise objects to ferry the souls of the scions back to the source. By which we know that we can take physical objects back and forth from The Source and the First.

    Now obviously since the villains want the key, it is likely that they will try to take the key again. But if we don't want to let the key get into their hands, then why don't we just give it to Lyna, Ryne, Beq Lugg or Gaia on the First for temporary safekeeping.

    Of course, if the villains never end up obtaining the key then this is a moot point, but if their plan requires said key, it's likely they'll somehow get it one way or another (Most likely contrived like the trial) during the MSQ from a meta standpoint. (Which with the Beatrix trial also asks why they'd set a trap to transport the WoL, but not to transport the Key itself).

    A way to explain this could be by having us attempt to to take it to the First only to fail, for whatever reason (maybe it's dimension stuff is too powerful for us to physically take, as it asserts it's own aetheric field or something). This would also explain why the villains didn't try teleporting the Dawn Grail, as they'd likely know such a feat is impossible, and thus useless.
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    I think the biggest reason we don't bring it to the first is because Y'shtola wants to study it and even before all this happened with our new baddie, this understanding of interdimensional travel was a big personal thing for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteala View Post
    I think the biggest reason we don't bring it to the first is because Y'shtola wants to study it and even before all this happened with our new baddie, this understanding of interdimensional travel was a big personal thing for her.
    Initially there's no reason to, but once Calyx and Simulant start attacking Solution Nine. It's the easiest surefire way to keep it out of their hands, since their lack of intedimensional travel is exactly why they're pursuing the cup.

    While Y'shtola would definitely want to study it, I don't think she'd see the problem with storing it away temporarily for the greater good, especially when the aether of all the reflections are on the line.

    It's not like it's difficult for us to go to the first either and besides maybe Beq Lugg would have a/come up with a unique perspective on it that could help Y'shtola also, making the trip to the First more valuable than we might think.
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    I have theories that The Key is a lot more dangerous then we think. I think it might actually be Auracite. Endless Sphene did say it 'responds to fervent desire.' My tinfoil hat theory is that the reason why it had Azem's sigil on it is because they had to deal with its threat, but couldn't completely destroy it, and had put a protective seal on ages ago. The reason why no one has been able to fully unlock its power is because of the seal. The Pandaemonium raids did indicate that Auracite had found its way to the star even during the time of The Ancients. It also begs the question: why would pre-sundered Azem need a device for dimensional travel, and potentially dimensional fusion, undoing Venat's sundering?

    I won't be surprised that it's been tugging at Y'Shtola's desire for shard travel, and that's why she's been insistent on wanting to take a look at it. It would be careless to leave something so potentially dangerous with someone we care about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mallleable View Post
    I have theories that The Key is a lot more dangerous then we think. I think it might actually be Auracite. Endless Sphene did say it 'responds to fervent desire.' My tinfoil hat theory is that the reason why it had Azem's sigil on it is because they had to deal with its threat, but couldn't completely destroy it, and had put a protective seal on ages ago. The reason why no one has been able to fully unlock its power is because of the seal. The Pandaemonium raids did indicate that Auracite had found its way to the star even during the time of The Ancients. It also begs the question: why would pre-sundered Azem need a device for dimensional travel, and potentially dimensional fusion, undoing Venat's sundering
    I think one of the theories that could potentially go with this really well is the Ultima theory, where Ultima was the source of auracite, landed on the ancient star, and has basically been sundered and is now trying to put herself together now that there's no higher power hindering her.
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    For one, time dilation keeps happening between the Source and First (and the Thirteenth still isn't safe). We might drop off the key with Ryne and come back a few days later and suddenly 700 years have passed on the First because the timing of both worlds has never been perfectly in sync.

    Unfortunately keeping it in the Scions' hands is the only way to reliably keep tabs on it.
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    It's a good point but ultimately, what would it change? It will probably stop Calyx to stop trying to find creative ways to kill a warrior of light, but it won't stop him to try and coerce us into relinquishing it like he's been doing with Alexandria. In fact, it may actually encourage him to get more pressing with it.
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    Taking it to the First would definitely keep it safe, but we can't have the WoL making good and smart decisions.

    If everything possible was an option, we could just find a way to take him to Ultima Thule to go talk with the Ea, that might change his perspective on things a little.
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