Can Square Enix stop gate-keeping mid-core contents behind Savage ILvl on release?

[TakumiHarada]

I'm talking about Criterion dungeons (A huge flop btw. Please stop making those forever) and Chaotic raids.
I understand they were originally designed for people who finished Savage in x.0/2/4 complaining about "having nothing to do" in x.1/3/5, if they don't play the Ultimates.

But by locking the ILvl cap of these contents as the Savage ILvl, people who aren't interested in Savage for whatever reason (too busy with real life events, not interested in the aesthetics of the gear, etc.) are essentially locked out of these contents on release, even if they're interested in the mounts or the gear.

Of course you can clear those contents with a lower ILvl, but who would want to let people without 730 gear join a chaotic static on release?

People who complain about "not having anything to do" in x.1/3/5 will still do them even if the ILvl cap was lower, like the Unreals. The difficulty level will still be exactly the same.
It just seems to me that the current ILvl cap setting is there just to lock out people who didn't play Savage in the previous expansion, which is the thing that bugs me the most.

Before you say it, yes I know I can just mob hunt for a couple of weeks to augment all my gear (except the weapon until x.18), but that's not my point. The point is the seemingly meaningless lock-out.

[Jeeqbit]

Based on the actual mount reward obtained from Criterion, they are not too far off the percent of people with the "current" Savage mount at any moment in time, so although people did not rush to clear them immediately, in the long term they got cleared all the same. So I disagree that they were a flop.

However, you may have a point about item level because it took time for people to do Criterion and get round to it and item level could have been a reason.

I did do them at a much lower item level and it was fine. All being max item level seemed to do was just make it a breeze, like it always does in this game.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Both pieces of content only require minimum crafted gear (that was current when said content was released). You are not being "gate-kept"

[TakumiHarada]

Both pieces of content only require minimum crafted gear (that was current when said content was released). You are not being "gate-kept"

Are you not reading my post on purpose?

Of course you can clear those contents with a lower ILvl, but who would want to let people without 730 gear join a chaotic static on release?

[TakumiHarada]

Based on the actual mount reward obtained from Criterion, they are not too far off the percent of people with the "current" Savage mount at any moment in time, so although people did not rush to clear them immediately, in the long term they got cleared all the same. So I disagree that they were a flop.

However, you may have a point about item level because it took time for people to do Criterion and get round to it and item level could have been a reason.

I did do them at a much lower item level and it was fine. All being max item level seemed to do was just make it a breeze, like it always does in this game.

If you're using mount as the measurement, those mounts don't have the same rate.
Savage mount (P12S) has a 4% registration rate while the mount from two Criterions in the same tier are both at 1.3%. FFXIV Collect
It's less than half, even though the mounts from Criterions are literally purchasable off the market board.
Of course, not everyone who finished Criterions would decide to get the mount either, so it's not necessarily a good metric.

Edit:
A more accurate way would be looking at the achievements.
Another Aloalo was cleared by 3.5%. Savage was 1.6%.
P12S was cleared by 10%.

Omega protocol back in 6.31 was also 3.5%, the same as Another Aloalo.

Yes it's a flop. Criterion Savage was less popular than Ultimates by more than half.

Edit 2:
Chaotic's clear rate is, guess what? 3.7%. Basically the same as the legacy Ultimates.
FRU is at 1.3% right now.

[Kohashi]

Are you not reading my post on purpose?

You know you can fully upgrade tomestone without doing any savage right? This was true for lvl 90 and it's also true for this tier as well, and most likely also true for this upcoming one.

As for CoD, the PF that requires that ilvl is not very frequent. Also, how is that a SE issue if people are the ones doing this 730 gate-keeping thing?

[TakumiHarada]

You know you can fully upgrade tomestone without doing any savage right? This was true for lvl 90 and it's also true for this tier as well, and most likely also true for this upcoming one.

As for CoD, the PF that requires that ilvl is not very frequent.

Are you on purpose not reading my post? Part 2

Before you say it, yes I know I can just mob hunt for a couple of weeks to augment all my gear (except the weapon until x.18), but that's not my point. The point is the seemingly meaningless lock-out.

I'm sorry to be rude but please learn to read before replying.

[Kohashi]

Are you on purpose not reading my post? Part 2


I'm sorry to be rude but please learn to read before replying.

Also, how is that a SE issue if people are the ones doing this 730 gate-keeping thing? learn to logic?

[TakumiHarada]

Also, how is that a SE issue if people are the ones doing this 730 gate-keeping thing? learn to logic?

Because if the dungeon's max ILvl was like Unreals where ILvl is always synced down then it wouldn't be an issue?
You're still missing the point.

You silently edited the "Also, how is that a SE issue if people are the ones doing this 730 gate-keeping thing?" part in after I replied btw.

[Kohashi]

Because if the dungeon's max ILvl was like Unreals where ILvl is always synced down then it wouldn't be an issue?
You're still missing the point.

So let me get this straight, you are bitching about SE keeping you away from content when PEOPLE are the ones doing the parties and putting the requirements. Okay, Karen, keep at it.