Thread: The 7.2 Frontline changes are EXCELLENT

Originally Posted by gidsonBrand

One of the few good parts of Secure was the ability to shadow capture the enemy's nodes when the teams go to the middle, or if you're just feeling cheeky. That came with the risk of getting 24 players coming after you, but it could possibly result in a 4v8 or 8v8 situation if maps are designed like this in the future.

My main point is, more firepower from role actions, battle high, even the Secure point's damage buff means that kills and progress can be made without the entire alliance present. And I LOVE that!

I do remember it being a thing before the mount speed buffs, but as it stands, I think we're just gonna go back to ShB+ secure which was blobs moving between points because people were fast enough. Base > Mid for nodes > side 1 > side 2 > side 1 > side 2 > etc. Skirmishes sometimes do emerged, but I never really bothered because it was clear that a blob was on its way as soon as you were noticed, and odds were you were going to die. I do understand that the capture point buff will help alleviate this, but with the added teleporters? Nah, people are gonna blob the crap out of this map.

I do hope I'm proven wrong though, but why would people play it differently than what it was after the mount changes? Now you can even mount on the run to shave off some more seconds between travels.

Originally Posted by gidsonBrand

Honestly, if we had to split into more skirmishes (and have the ability to win by doing so) then the meta might turn into 6 premades on a team, just for the added coordination. Which would be awesome -- right now, either the entire alliance succeeds or nobody does. If I'm going in with 3 of my friends, I at least want us to say we did something cool rather than getting anchored.

I think if we had maps with clear alliance split directions, ending up basically with full parties or even light parties everywhere, premades would just butcher everything as well. Maybe less of a total impact on the game's outcome, yeah I could see that. But on the other hand, if you're solo with your little group of randos, are you seriously going to engage a group of 4 BH5 players on the other side?

Originally Posted by FALCSMASH

-Make Recuperate more expensive for non-support roles. Instead of 2500MP, make it 4000MP peruse. Non-support class sustainability is a little too good.

-Give us stun/silence vulnerability cd's. We should get a 30-second or longer immunity after being stunned or silenced consecutively. Frontlines has become someone who can hit you with stun/silence consecutively long enough so you can't act until your health bar is depleted.

1) Support jobs are already S tier... And even if that's only within the realm of FL, what is the goal exactly? So that green and blue jobs have an easier time surviving compared to red jobs? Do they truly need this, with all the tools already at their disposal for this?
2) So basically, I bait any CC coming my way first, and once I get stunned by some random crap, I can run in unimpeded and cause havoc without being punished? I'm like everyone, I hate the CC chain stuns in FL. It can already be borderline obnoxious in crystalline conflict, so in FL? It's awful. But let's see what fetterward does first to alleviate the problem? Alternatively a 5s immunity after one crowd control I could also agree with as long as it remains simple and down to one universal immunity and not the obnoxious cc dependent immunities of ShB that were an absolute nightmare to track (does the target has stun immunity? heavy maybe? bound? knockback?... urg).

Couple of observations:

- Tanks : Rampart makes you near invincible, much more valuable than I anciticipated. With GNB and the circle it's so many free counter attacks. On warrior you can rotate bloodwhetting+aoe, rampart and guard for dozens of seconds of near invincibility. Full Swing is also a blast as expected, after monk's stun removal I am satisfied.

- Melees : swift is very very strong. You can already see plenty of vipers just diving in and juggling anti-cc, scales, guard and whatnot. on top of the hp regen. And then get out with swift after the last scales because of the slightly delayed regen so you have time to retreat. The dash to any friendly also helps now. Bloodbath and ninja/samurai works very well.

- Ranged : the guard pierce attack is good.

- Casters : the meteor is good, but with the modifiers it sometimes feel a bit underwhelming.

- Healers : diabrosis is good, you can definitely feel the impact but it's not overbearing either, people just back off earlier.

Very fun skills all around, some very strong, near op stuff on paper, yet in practice it's perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by Teno

Couple of observations:

- Tanks : Rampart makes you near invincible, much more valuable than I anciticipated. With GNB and the circle it's so many free counter attacks. On warrior you can rotate bloodwhetting+aoe, rampart and guard for dozens of seconds of near invincibility. Full Swing is also a blast as expected, after monk's stun removal I am satisfied.

- Melees : swift is very very strong. You can already see plenty of vipers just diving in and juggling anti-cc, scales, guard and whatnot. on top of the hp regen. And then get out with swift after the last scales because of the slightly delayed regen so you have time to retreat. The dash to any friendly also helps now. Bloodbath and ninja/samurai works very well.

- Ranged : the guard pierce attack is good.

- Casters : the meteor is good, but with the modifiers it sometimes feel a bit underwhelming.

- Healers : diabrosis is good, you can definitely feel the impact but it's not overbearing either, people just back off earlier.

Very fun skills all around, some very strong, near op stuff on paper, yet in practice it's perfectly fine.

100% agree about Rampart. Once I got bored of the Full Swing punt, this felt like way the best tank option.

Diabrosis is my AST default. I was frustrated by the long cooldown at first since you really want it before doublecast gravity, but realistically much shorter would make it OP. You really have to stay ranged with the squishy classes - any foray into the melee gets you deleted. Oh and I want my 4s back on Epicycle, dammit.

Still too much CC for my liking.

My main worry is that when the zerg splits, an enemy on full zerg just annihilates the smaller numbers. I think this will only get magnified as premades find the ideal stack.

The meteors need a graphics detune IMO, there is already too much mess even on "some effects" and this just gives me a headache.

Originally Posted by gidsonBrand

Already been found, sort of. Me and my friends did a simple 2 Dragoon + Dark Knight + Dancer comp last night. It was great for mid-fights, especially on the Tower and Stack mechanics.

The best part though, was fighting for the side objectives. Baited a ton of people onto the objective with Dark Knight LB, then Dancer LB + 2 Dragoons managed to net us 10ish kills thanks to the Sheer Will buff.
Which was awesome, seeing as how before a 4v10 would have just been GG for us. Now we can actually fight back if we have a plan.

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Every game has been >20 ranged and and 4 "melee" jobs.

Battles devolved into throwing an AoE for freebie battle high and then running away.

They need to cut the healing from recuperate on ranged jobs in half and make it so sprint falls off and goes on cooldown when taking damage.

Since they've decided to remove CC from the melee jobs and leave most ranged jobs with access two 2, killing ranged jobs has been nothing but aggravating.

I must say I hate the battle high changes. You don't feel rewarded for getting it at all, especially in Borderlands because pve actually rewards a lot of it too.
I wish they could dial it down back to 2 per assist. If I had my way I'd actually do it 10 per kill divided by the amount of assist, down to 2.

Originally Posted by Valence

I must say I hate the battle high changes. You don't feel rewarded for getting it at all, especially in Borderlands because pve actually rewards a lot of it too.
I wish they could dial it down back to 2 per assist. If I had my way I'd actually do it 10 per kill divided by the amount of assist, down to 2.

I don't hate the BH change, but see your point, plus I don't really understand the motivation.

Pre-change, if I got BH5 and we won I'd be pretty sure I played decent. Yesterday, getting anything other than BH5 either meant I played poorly or the team got steamrolled.

More generally I feel anything like this that is easily capped just indicates a tuning issue.