Devs why the PvP changes, again? Can we get a reply?

[Mawlzy]

Can someone from the developer side please tell us what is the driving force behind these changes?
This isn't performative, I'm not trying to find something to attack. I want to understand so I know what to expect moving forward, because community feedback holds no weight. Why the changes?

Looking at the live letter:
How many years has it been for Borderlands? I scroll through an old reddit thread (2 years ago) and the majority of the comments are just bashing it. Even then, when has anyone here discussed it recently? "The long awaited-" by who?

People adapt, but are still annoyed over animation snapshot changes, job changes, pre-mades obliterating people, not to mention how rewards are handled, the rewards themselves being dated, latency still not being fixed because every animation is an astral era longer now.

Players don't get why you do this, and no one asked for this. But here you come in 7.2 with:
"The following adjustments have been made to battle high rating gained upon KOing or assisting: KO, 10->8, Assist, 2->4"
- Damage padders are buffed
- Premades are super buffed
- Solo queuers are punished, less solo carry potential

I'm writing about frontlines mainly, but if you're reading please reply with your experience, because I know there is a lot more to it.

So what is driving the changes, and why ask for community feedback if it isn't relevant. Feels a little silly.

I share your frustration. I'd bet what is going to happen (if there was a response to your OP which there won't be) is "details are given in the complete patch notes." Which based on the 7.1 full notes means they will make very little sense and, as you note, have absolutely nothing to do with requests from players made on this forum.

[Teno]

For once the changes in this patch are pretty tame. They ended up to be much worse in 7.1, and when they progressively added these obnoxious dmg reduction modifiers in frontlines.

[OliviaLugria]

Aha! We've found another group pleased with the changes. The rouletters!!!

Most the changes seem to benefit me if you want to throw that in lol.

Just adding additional back in means at least half the xiv population won’t even know they exist >.>

[Mawlzy]

Most the changes seem to benefit me if you want to throw that in lol.

Just adding additional back in means at least half the xiv population won’t even know they exist >.>

Yeah that did occur to me, honey, and despite unmuting you, I doubt I'll enjoy playing on your team.

That said, I do genuinely respect the fact your prime directive is to win the match, rather than these awful padders who just want the pffft-pffft-pffft of the BH meter.

[gidsonBrand]

Most the changes seem to benefit me if you want to throw that in lol.

Just adding additional back in means at least half the xiv population won’t even know they exist >.>

Right, besides the Secure sentries giving battle high, everything they're adding seems to reward people who want to fight other players and really dig their teeth into the game. I'm all for it.
I know Revival's hosting a sync on the first day it's out. Should be a good time to test and talk about strats.

[Valence]

Okay, yes I agree with you. In other words games will be even-more lopsided, which in general I think is a bad idea. The potential to get a lot of BH (and BH edge) in the first engagement is greatly increased and that just speeds the BH snowballing effect.

It's quite possible SE did this to speed up matches. If so, it's characteristic of their ass-backwards approach. The direct lever to adjust match duration is the number of points required for victory.

That's a good point. You definitely know your team sucks when even if you're spreading damage everywhere, bursting or CCing at the proper targets, nothing just dies and you end up the game with a silver or green BH, so while it will definitely help increase whatever crumbs you get in those cases (by doubling it), it's of course going to net way bigger increases for teams that actually kill targets (multiplicative turning 20 into 40 is better than turning 4 into 8).
But I still hate the fact that the system rewards kills more than assists, because this is a team game, and securing kills is completely random unless you have strong one shot KOs like Seiton, etc.

[Mawlzy]

That's a good point. You definitely know your team sucks when even if you're spreading damage everywhere, bursting or CCing at the proper targets, nothing just dies and you end up the game with a silver or green BH, so while it will definitely help increase whatever crumbs you get in those cases (by doubling it), it's of course going to net way bigger increases for teams that actually kill targets (multiplicative turning 20 into 40 is better than turning 4 into 8).
But I still hate the fact that the system rewards kills more than assists, because this is a team game, and securing kills is completely random unless you have strong one shot KOs like Seiton, etc.

One option would be to only give a K if you do >50% damage on an enemy. Everything else would be an assist.

[OliviaLugria]

Right, besides the Secure sentries giving battle high, everything they're adding seems to reward people who want to fight other players and really dig their teeth into the game. I'm all for it.
I know Revival's hosting a sync on the first day it's out. Should be a good time to test and talk about strats.

We’ll have to set general strats early and start expectations asap so we don’t end up just going back and fourth pointlessly for 20min

[Mawlzy]

We’ll have to set general strats early and start expectations asap so we don’t end up just going back and fourth pointlessly for 20min

Do let us know when they appear in your guide.