FFXIV and Job Identity

[Carighan]

Song chains is a buff directly to songs and to BRD dps.

Ideally the end result would be something like this.

Dancer
Low pDPS + High rDPS

BRD
med pDPS + med rDPS

MCH
high pDPS - no rDPS

All within 500 combined dps of each other.

Congratulations, developer ETermin. You have been assigned the prestigious position of "Criterion Savage vs Ultimate" balance dev. Please clarify your previous ideas before your first dev planning meetings coming up in 2 hours.

(that is, if one could just do what you assume possible there, we wouldn't have 80%++ of the balance issues any MMORPG has, ever - it's entirely utopian however, it cannot be done or at least we have to assume that since nobody has so far managed in ~30 years of graphical MMO games)

[Supersnow845]

How would they buff DNC without it out shining BRD? I have seen some high end parties use a DNC over a BRD since bard buffs is tied to the party and a DNC can buff a low dps dealing job to increase its DPS to a better level.

You should never use DNC to “buff” a weak DPS

dance partner (with some limited edge cases) should always be given to your strongest performer

[ETermin]

I'm sorry to hear that and understand your pain and frustration. I played the msq of dawntrail and stopped, nothing was fun anymore. The game seemed to be feeding me rewards without trying. I resubbed solely to post this on the forum.

[Mercury_Grey]

You should never use DNC to “buff” a weak DPS

dance partner (with some limited edge cases) should always be given to your strongest performer

You do have a point but for example if you have lets say a SMN who isn't bale to help push the DPS threshhold should you just ignore them with a DNC, or try to give them a little damage buff so the fight goes smoother? This is from my point of view cause i don't play DNC much. Job feels great it just isn't my cup of tea. Most DNCs i have had in my party either go for teh "oh DRG the best DPS this patch i'll only dance partner them" to "i'll put my dance partner on who i want because i can pick and id on't follow what others say because i'm playing the job i want to play and have fun"

[Supersnow845]

You do have a point but for example if you have lets say a SMN who isn't bale to help push the DPS threshhold should you just ignore them with a DNC, or try to give them a little damage buff so the fight goes smoother? This is from my point of view cause i don't play DNC much. Job feels great it just isn't my cup of tea. Most DNCs i have had in my party either go for teh "oh DRG the best DPS this patch i'll only dance partner them" to "i'll put my dance partner on who i want because i can pick and id on't follow what others say because i'm playing the job i want to play and have fun"

Think about it this way. DNC buffs are a percentage

Let’s use simple numbers

SMN is doing 10,000 damage
PCT is doing 25,000 damage

DNC’s buff is 5%

5% of 10,000 is 500
5% of 25,000 is 1250

So you simply gain more collective damage by buffing your highest performer. Regardless the PCT or the SMN doesn’t care about how much damage the DNC gives them, it’s only relevant to the DNC and the collective raid

[Mercury_Grey]

I'm sorry to hear that and understand your pain and frustration. I played the msq of dawntrail and stopped, nothing was fun anymore. The game seemed to be feeding me rewards without trying. I resubbed solely to post this on the forum.

They said they will be looking into job identity for next expansion. So far PLD from what I seen is the more defensive and mixed damage tank.
Warrior is the angry won't die and heals.
DRK is the more offensive and one of a great damage mitigation, but bad tank invul (before the invul buffs it got)
And GNB is a more hard damage focus with a little less defenses, but makes up for it in its burst. Again this is my experience on the jobs

[ETermin]

Yea.... I don't have high hopes for job Identity come 8.0, not with how they have treated the healers, the blm changes on Tuesday, and the current state of phys Ranged. I can't really speak on the tanks or melee.

[BismarckBug]

This boils down to change for the sake of change, it introduces more problems than it would fix. If you feel like you want to contribute, then just stick to one topic you feel confident in rather than rewriting everything with not even a basic understanding of most jobs and try to fit that into the current design philosophy of the game (the balancing of casual, midcore, and hardcore content, and job difficulty in conjunction with content difficulty and how that contributes to gameplay satisfaction)

[Mercury_Grey]

This boils down to change for the sake of change, it introduces more problems than it would fix. If you feel like you want to contribute, then just stick to one topic you feel confident in rather than rewriting everything with not even a basic understanding of most jobs and try to fit that into the current design philosophy of the game (the balancing of casual, midcore, and hardcore content, and job difficulty in conjunction with content difficulty and how that contributes to gameplay satisfaction)

I do agree, but it took me until PLD rework in 6.3 to realize how defensive PLD is. I just play the jobs I enjoy and not care about identity

[CalvinDescoles]

Your tierlist is... well... let's say that this is your opinion cause i would really never sort thing like this. And the problem with the thread is basically this... everything is your opinion.

Just a small example but your tank tier list make no sens to me, Gunbreaker is actually harder but if you take the fight design into the thinking process. And making Paladin easier than Warrior... Bard as "tier1" is making also no sens to me were there is more to know about the job and it flaws in its design (ogcd order, refresh timing, song management in fight like ultimate, priority) and puting Dancer as "harder" than Bard where it is basically... ressources management...
Astrologian and "complexe card system"... i mean ok it is may be the hardest heal in theory, but it's not Stormblood Astrologian. Ninja as easier than Monk ?

Ok so yeah may be it is my opinion about this but...

So yeah if you really wanted to make a more optimal tier list you should have eventually make a survey idk...

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