Chaotic Raid - FOMO

[Kaurhz]

I don't agree with that. Too much content in this game just gets unsynced. Doing... the content is part of the experience. What's the point in it if you don't actually experience the content?

Whilst I agree in principle... There is a fundamental issue with the game that it doesn't enable long-form content, e.g., content like Savage, Extreme Primals and even Chaotic are not long-form pieces of content. They get exhausted after a couple of patches.

So once the content has exhausted a 1-2 patch cycle then usually it becomes pretty irrelevant as successor content is released. e.g., there is no real reason to do 7.05 savage when 7.2 savage has released. Just by virtue of character progression now being tied to 7.2.

Now obviously the mounts are an incentive as is the general glamour, but as a piece of content ages, it just gradually gets more difficult to arrange since it isn't any longer tied to character progression.

[Astronis]

What's the point of not allowing it to later be unsynced if it means it's FOMO content that never gets done after the initial rush of people get what they want from it? Unsyncing helps keeps interest in content alive and makes it possible to complete down the line for people who either missed the rush or are new. Unsyncing also means someone who has done the content can help someone else later if they can't find the full amount of people. MINE is always there for those who want that option.

The way this *particular* content has been set up, if they never allow it to be run unsynced, people will still do it because one of the mounts, the minion, and the hairstyle can be sold for gil. That will keep some people doing it for quite a long time in ways that people don't for Extremes and Savages. There is also incentive built in for people who have done it to help people clear it in the form of more currency to buy items that can in turn be sold for gil. It's never going to be "the current thing" again, but adding a gil incentive to Chaotic is going to keep it low-key relevant for a long time.

[Jeeqbit]

Part of the reason FOMO exists at all for old content is because it can be unsynced. Just look at BA and DRS, which are still being done. If you can't unsync it then you have to find a way to do it such as forming/joining a discord or creating a static, and those statics form because of the fact it can't be unsynced.

[AvoSturmfaust]

I really loved it but always the need to find 24 people is just a pain, maybe they should decrease it to 12 people 3x 4 groups, would even open the path to more content which involves more 3x4 group settings

[TaleraRistain]

The way this *particular* content has been set up, if they never allow it to be run unsynced, people will still do it because one of the mounts, the minion, and the hairstyle can be sold for gil. That will keep some people doing it for quite a long time in ways that people don't for Extremes and Savages. There is also incentive built in for people who have done it to help people clear it in the form of more currency to buy items that can in turn be sold for gil. It's never going to be "the current thing" again, but adding a gil incentive to Chaotic is going to keep it low-key relevant for a long time.

I'm on Aether and there already less and less parties for it. Most are farms, so not sure how it's supposed to stay alive if people can't get enough for learning in the future. It's around 11pm eastern and on Aether PF I see 5 Chaotic parties. 2 are farms, 1 is a C41, and 2 are clear parties. Contrast with 15 M4S parties, both learning and farm. If we still have to get 24 people all on the same page in a few patches or next expansion, then it's probably going to die in PF.

[Astronis]

I'm on Aether and there already less and less parties for it. Most are farms, so not sure how it's supposed to stay alive if people can't get enough for learning in the future. It's around 11pm eastern and on Aether PF I see 5 Chaotic parties. 2 are farms, 1 is a C41, and 2 are clear parties. Contrast with 15 M4S parties, both learning and farm. If we still have to get 24 people all on the same page in a few patches or next expansion, then it's probably going to die in PF.

"Die in PF" doesn't mean it's going to be totally dead content. People are going to still be running it somewhere because of the money aspect, but it may be in Discords or somesuch, the way Baldesian Arsenal is. People are still running that pretty frequently. Though sure, it's going to be harder to get 24 people gathered up in PF as time goes on.

The ability to unsync or not won't change that.

[TaleraRistain]

"Die in PF" doesn't mean it's going to be totally dead content. People are going to still be running it somewhere because of the money aspect, but it may be in Discords or somesuch, the way Baldesian Arsenal is. People are still running that pretty frequently. Though sure, it's going to be harder to get 24 people gathered up in PF as time goes on.

The ability to unsync or not won't change that.

It's not really healthy for the game if their new content gets relegated to something you can only do if you find X Discord. The ability to unsync this with less people would make it appear in PF since you wouldn't have to wait for 24 people.

[crowwww]

From what I've been able to prog so far, I've thoroughly enjoyed the Chaotic Raid. As I've only relatively recently begun doing High end duties on content, It has however shown me just how easy it is to miss the boat on these things. I focused first on grinding Ex3 and while I got my 100 totems I've long since missed the boat for Party Finder prog groups to easily fill. And who'd want to bring along a newbie when you're just after your weekly loot or see a bonus window?

Actually the bonus window, while a great idea for re-clears, has been a right pain for bringing up new players - now that there's enough people to fill parties during bonus windows there's little and less desire to join prog groups, especially if that window is up! We're lucky to see a party fill during a Friday or Saturday night!
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[Kandraxx]

Content that is outdated 1-2 expacs should get Trust bots. It’s a billion dollar company and it’s so easy to do because of the fights being 100% scripted down to the second, so there shouldn’t be any excuses really. If a random dev can create a $10 couch for the store during his lunch break, then he can also program a bunch of bot pathways and behaviors.

And who cares if someone solo clears a full savage tier or 3 Ultimates in an afternoon, it’s all artificial difficulty anyway due to it being forced 8-player. Go cry a river because you had to spend 30 pointless hours with a bunch of people you didn’t like.

[Astronis]

It's not really healthy for the game if their new content gets relegated to something you can only do if you find X Discord. The ability to unsync this with less people would make it appear in PF since you wouldn't have to wait for 24 people.

Not sure why it would be any healthier for the game to make content unsynceable and nerf it so reduced numbers of players can finish it within any timeframe that that content could still be called "new". Seems like that would be worse for the game to scuttle their content so fast. Why even bother making it in that case?

If it can ever be unsynced, it will be in a couple of years, and by then no one will be under any illusions that it's "new".