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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    What's wrong with visual novels?
    I want to know this too. Why does everyone use that as an insult?

    However I suspect the answer is that the gameplay of visual novels doesn't allow the hardcore to distinguish themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasselin View Post
    I want to know this too. Why does everyone use that as an insult?

    However I suspect the answer is that the gameplay of visual novels doesn't allow the hardcore to distinguish themselves.
    Even some visual novels try to involve some kind of engagement with the player--player choice and multiple endings being some of the more common. This is still "gameplay" insomuch that it provides opportunity for the player to be an active participant--something that is ultimately missing in FF14's story atm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteala View Post
    Even some visual novels try to involve some kind of engagement with the player--player choice and multiple endings being some of the more common. This is still "gameplay" insomuch that it provides opportunity for the player to be an active participant--something that is ultimately missing in FF14's story atm.
    "Some" does a lot of work there. Loads of visual novels don't have multiple endings or branching stories, yet are enjoyable and engaging regardless. A player is an active participant not because of these bells and whistles, but by virtue of being an audience through which the medium comes to life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    "Some" does a lot of work there. Loads of visual novels don't have multiple endings or branching stories, yet are enjoyable and engaging regardless. A player is an active participant not because of these bells and whistles, but by virtue of being an audience through which the medium comes to life.
    Personally, I don't care and it doesn't matter for the point of this thread. MSQ is the selling point of the expansion. It is -bare minimum- to provide MSQ content. It's not a fancy gimmick. Acting like SE is generous for handing us MSQ is just ridiculous. As we mostly only sit and watch MSQ unfolding ONCE, I can not see this as gaming content either. Plus the MSQ is not the best in this expansion which made many players skip on purpose, which is a shame and entirely on the devs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesnt View Post
    Personally, I don't care and it doesn't matter for the point of this thread. MSQ is the selling point of the expansion. It is -bare minimum- to provide MSQ content. It's not a fancy gimmick. Acting like SE is generous for handing us MSQ is just ridiculous. As we mostly only sit and watch MSQ unfolding ONCE, I can not see this as gaming content either. Plus the MSQ is not the best in this expansion which made many players skip on purpose, which is a shame and entirely on the devs.
    If I was a player who only cared about msq and I wasn't feeling it this expansion, I'd unsub for most of the year and resub at the end of the patch cycle in advance of the next expansion. That's what a reasonable person would do. I don't think most people only care about msq, like you say, though. I think people like other things in this game. At the end of the day we're all expected to be adults here and it's up to each of us to choose how we spend our money. If you think you don't get enough out of your subscription, there's an easy course of action you could take. So I'm sure we all agree that most people who remain subbed find the game is worth the cost of their subscription.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    If I was a player who only cared about msq and I wasn't feeling it this expansion, I'd unsub for most of the year and resub at the end of the patch cycle in advance of the next expansion. That's what a reasonable person would do. I don't think most people only care about msq, like you say, though. I think people like other things in this game. At the end of the day we're all expected to be adults here and it's up to each of us to choose how we spend our money. If you think you don't get enough out of your subscription, there's an easy course of action you could take. So I'm sure we all agree that most people who remain subbed find the game is worth the cost of their subscription.
    Most MMO players just want a reasonable experience for their money. I don't want to quit. I want the game to be decent.

    People who complain about players complaining just want to start fights for personal entertainment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesnt View Post
    just want to start fights for personal entertainment.
    Congrats, you figured out their (ul)"Exterior" motive.
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    Are you serious? shaming in a Japanese mmo? Do you realize in their culture if shammed they will (hara-kiri)(seppuku) themselves?