why every FF14 healer is berserk healer

[Naychan]

Because 95% of the content only needs light heals (if any heals at all) and standing there doing nothing is wasteful & boring. I cant imagine just sitting there in ffxiv and wait for somebody to take damage (long pulls with bad players). But healers are stupid broken for most content due to them farming out our abilities to others. Most Tanks can self sustain though most fights w/o heals at all. With the right dps classes you can leave the healer on the bench and add a 3rd dps. I am NOT a top tier raider and neither are my friends and we run w/o a healer quite often. Which sucks because I enjoy playing support classes. But to answer your question they are not berserk they are just bored to death and trying to stay awake, yet sadly with that complicated rotation for dps 111111111113111111111111 most of them end up taking a nap anyways.

[GrimGale]

I argue that the charm/appeal of FFXIV's healer design was finding the balance between doing DPS and Healing. Knowing your healing kit rewards you (Or at least should reward you) with more time to deal damage thus contribute further to the party's progress.
In themselves healing kits in general are very very bland. Mechanically they barely have interesting mechanics: GCD healing is as basic and simple as it gets. Cast spell, it heals target. Cast AoE spell it heals party. It's always point blank/targeted spells. Same cast time, almost identical potency between healers. In terms of of GCD usage, healers are very boring. Sustain healing would be as dull as DPS is.
That's why a lot of people point out the over abundance of powerful oGCDs that can take the brunt of the healing to be a design problem.

The tragedy of healer design is that your reward for healing optimally and efficiently making use of all your tools is more Glare spam.

In any case, I still personally want some more filler dps GCD variety. The pruning of our DPS kit is honestly unacceptable. They removed interesting interactions/trade offs and replaced them with more redundant tools, which incidentally only free our healing GCD tools to replace them with more Glarebroil spam. I find balancing DPS and Healing to be the best showcasing of a healer's ability. I wish this gameplay was more interesting rather than always defaulting the one boring and repetitive single damage attack we have.

[Alice_Rivers]

I used to feel like doing more dps was a reward for being good at healing but after a few years and tanks increasingly taking my job away it's flipped, healing has become my reward for people doing stupid stuff and the tank being incompetent, it's anathema to the role of "healer".

[Nero-Voidstails]

I think that some healers need a rework sage is one of them to fit a offensive healer sch should have more debuff to give to enemies, whm should have more buff defensive one and be stronger against undead and astro should be a mix better sch and whm but with more dots

[miraidensetsu]

Trust me a tank it's really not much better for us rotation wise.

spamming 1, 2, 3 and burst buttons is not interesting compared to things that could be added to healers like Procs, more dot timers ect.

Way more interesting than what healers have.

[miraidensetsu]

In fact, if need I'd rather have all healing be GCDs and all damage be oGCDs. At least that way around it'd "feel" more like you're a healer, even if the net result were entirely the same output.

For me, Healers would receive a damage rotation. Not very complex, something like what SMN does. And its damage should be on par with the weaker DPS (something tanks also should be able to do). But all heals, all support (mits, shields, regens, buffs, etc) are now GCD. And all spells uses MP, specially attacks (alas, I think everyone should use MP to do their attacks, even melee DPS should go OOM if he's too aggressive, but that is another talk).

It will make every heal DPS negative, true. But it's the heal price.

[NYCLouisGamer]

Unless you’re basically not playing, there isn’t a single healer in retail WoW that isn’t also doing damage.

That's false. You can admit where WoW is better than FFXIV. Healers in WoW do damage as a secondary function. They are primarily healing, and they squeeze in some DPS when they can for optimization and fun. You cannot do an instance in WoW without a healer. And I mean in general, so please don't come at me with 0.0001% edge cases where a WoW healer isn't needed.

On the other hand, people regularly discuss how FFXIV is the reverse and healing is considered optimization. You can fairly easily do FFXIV instances without a dedicated healer. FFXIV doesn't have a trinity. It has a dyad. If you play as a tank or DPS, this game can be a lot of fun!

[Carighan]

That's false. You can admit where WoW is better than FFXIV. Healers in WoW do damage as a secondary function. They are primarily healing, and they squeeze in some DPS when they can for optimization and fun. You cannot do an instance in WoW without a healer. And I mean in general, so please don't come at me with 0.0001% edge cases where a WoW healer isn't needed.

On the other hand, people regularly discuss how FFXIV is the reverse and healing is considered optimization. You can fairly easily do FFXIV instances without a dedicated healer. FFXIV doesn't have a trinity. It has a dyad. If you play as a tank or DPS, this game can be a lot of fun!

This is true, and I wouldn't even mind it if they steered the game hard into a GW2-like direction where everyone is just "DPS-and-X". But that also means that like in GW2, the vast majority of each job's arsenal should be devoted to DPS. Something the tanks get to enjoy, just not the healers, who are saddled with 20+ healing buttons when - given some rebalancing - 3-4 would easily be enough given the anemic healing requirements even the tougher raids have.

[Shurrikhan]

Unless you’re basically not playing, there isn’t a single healer in retail WoW that isn’t also doing damage.

That's false.

It's not. I've played each in all but mythic raids. We do damage whenever able. 3 healers' heading kits can't even access anywhere from a large portion to a majority of their functionality without said damage-dealing.

I realize that your response to what you started your post by quoting has little to do with the majority of your post, and I could agree with that remainder easily enough, but why even bother with the non-sequitor, let alone one that's obviously wrong?

Even then, though, healing (as with any other output) is never considered an "optimization" except in terms of the long-term / least-capped output thereby possible, which is virtually always damage because virtually all fights are ended through damage. I.e., unless the encounter ends from healing something or straight up surviving for X time or moving from A to B, etc., optimizing healing can only ever produce, and have its value measured by, increased damage. That can be my letting someone greed, buffs, uptime, direct damage, or whatever other means, but it's still about damage. (Even keeping people alive... is for the damage. And if you'd clear faster by letting someone die at a certain point, that becomes optimal per the point of healing, which is still that longest-term output.)

That's the case for every MMO, so long as the win conditions are the same.

[Nero-Voidstails]

I want you to explain, in proper sentences and with proper grammar, why Bloodbath on Melees is a problem. Nothing else. Specifically Bloodbath. I want you to detail why Bloodbath needs to be removed. I want numbers. I want reasoning. I want scenerios that you have seen and experienced.

You called for all dps heals to be removed, and I'm asking about 1 specific one. I'd like your reasoning. Can't wait to hear it.

sorry if English isn't my first language there and I also never mention bloodbath because well it is no broken in the slightest but again I forgot that most of this community isn't really great so I will pass and please learn to be kind instead. Not everyone is perfect at everything