Square Enix, Are we really just pretending that WoW isn't running laps around you?

[Nadda]

Delve has literally nothing in common with deep dungeon and WoW has M+ and netcode that actually allows for PVP that doesn't just feel like a minigame.

Sorry I didn't mean 1:1 - They serve a similar purpose—providing accessible, shorter, and often solo‐friendly dungeon experiences that are varied and multifaceted

PVP so good it's perpetually criminally neglected and dying in most expansions. Ask for Netcode? Maybe for Arenas but you know as well as I do in an open-world environment having people go off with all their spells causes the servers to have a stroke. (It's because of all the procs and passives and percent chances for x random effect to occur)

M+ is interesting but it also isn't very welcoming because of how it's designed the culture around it is toxic. So while the concept is interesting too much about it makes it unfun.

My point is; When you get to the end game it's the same crap different shade.

WoW's whole point is 'to play the game', Right? The end game since that's the only thing of value to do but playing the game is the same grind loop it's been for years.

It never changes like FF14.
But it also never ends.
Like how we have our road map of what to expect. Each new WoW expansion will have. It's Raid tier. M+/Arena seasons.

And while yes all progression is sorta set to be better than what you had before depending on where you enter in on that cycle you could be either in "A good time to play WoW" or "Too late" time to play WoW.

Whereas FF14's progression is set up where you can pick up where you left off get into it really easily with crafted gear and after a few weeks be done.
WoW's is more like you get power crept out of it unless you're always on. It's all high stakes and hyper-competitive. So if you're not invested or leave the game just for a bit you get left behind.
You grind so you can have a better head start for the next grind.

[Mirau]

I'll admit WoW has been a lot better than FFXIV in the last two expansions with adding new things for players to bite into and learn. FFXIV took AWAY these kinds of systems thinking that it was the premise that turned people off. No, not really. It was the implementation. You'd think people making modern mechanic markers that WoW itself steals because of the consistent learning and teaching, would also figure that out.

Maybe the class team is super small and had to consolidate everything. I really hope, going forward, FFXIV creates better evergreen features. WoW is catching up (or surpassing XIV) but that won't 'kill' or hurt XIV. XIV has reached the same status as WoW, ESO, SWTOR and some honorable lesser extent mentions OSRS / RS3.

[USAFJerrySo]

FF XIV's housing system is horrible.

But let's not perform lewd acts of appreciation for Blizzard just yet.

The only thing that modern Blizzard doesn't disappoint in is disappointment. If not right away, just give them a moment.

I really don't understand why people still throw rose petals and cash at their screens for Blizzard every time they speak when they haven't done anything to earn that loyalty for (at least) a decade, if not plain open contempt for their fans. It's something they've shown again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

Competition is great, and if Blizzard's housing can get FFXIV to budge even a bit on improving it's own housing system, I'm all for it. However, SqaureEnix as a whole tend to only rock the FFXIV boat when it's completely necessary. They're probably waiting for the other shoe to drop and see how modern Blizzard botches their housing before deciding if any moves are necessary. (My bet is severely limited amount of decorations, size of a player house is the size of a shoebox with no way to expand, and of course, everything but the absolute bare bones furniture is cash shop only).

SE is like a Titanic, waiting to hit an iceberg before acknowledge the problem & doing anything about it. After all, we're just all low class peasents in SE eyes.

[USAFJerrySo]

cant agree to that. I can see the point with the cartoon style yes i had issues with it. But not good to new players hell no thats straight up a lie. I never touched wow and people been always helpfull to me explained what i need to be better and how mechanics work where the shortcuts are etc. recently i thought i give raiding a try and just opened a grp in the wow pf without thinking like you do in 14. We stepped in everything was good. The first issue happened when somebody asked if i know how to raidlead and i answered honestly dunno first time. So he asked for assistent raid lead which is an option and helped me to sort partys and understand the system. Thats far away from toxic. i another run of raids i got dmed from a party member who got a weapon for my class that he mistakenly rolled on it and if i want to have it. I asked how much gold he wants because i expected smth like that and the response was "dahell nothing its useless for me but will help you" where is this toxic ? while events i already got some mounts gifted just because people dropped it and already had it. On horde side i met a person who just gifted me 15 toys randomly without a text. btw im playing male characters before you come with stuff like are you haveing slut glam. The only time i encountered toxicity was when i was to slow as tank and this was very rare... so please i dont know what you have done to get toxic comments but this is not normal day out there. this is just a quote people use.

To be fair, I think people like him considered it toxic if a Healer ask a Tank to put his Tanks Stance on.

[USAFJerrySo]

just unsub then dude no one is forcing you to keep playing. Also these changes aren't going to happen instantaneous, what we're seeing in WoW is probably because of a response to when all the WoW players migrated to FFxiv and now they're implementing strategies to get them back. It's just the ebb and flow of the market, competition creates better products. Give it time and SE will respond with their own strategies. It's not gonna happen overnight it's a video game and a massive one at that. It's not gonna take a couple of patches to fix everything. Am i saying ffxiv is the most perfect game ever? no i'm hardly done with hw post quests but I'm really enjoying my time so far. Also I don't think dawntrail was supposed to be some revolutionary expansion. From my understanding, endwalker was the end of a huge story arc so where do you even take the story after that? P.S I wear adult diapers

Funny how you haven't completed HW yet felt compelled to response as if you truly understand the situation as if you're hindsight holds any weight

[Kaliesto]

SE is like a Titanic, waiting to hit an iceberg before acknowledge the problem & doing anything about it. After all, we're just all low class peasents in SE eyes.

I really like to know who or what is making these decisions on FFXIV, but getting such answers out of them is impossible.

I know we like to say Yoshi P. a lot, but he works with a group obviously and we don't even know who these people are.

[AshtonCrowe]

Meanwhile, Record levels of unsubbing & now tons of people saying they wont resub for 7.2

Square enix still in the echo chamber

[Nadda]

Meanwhile, Record levels of unsubbing & now tons of people saying they wont resub for 7.2

This is where my confidence comes in, which is from a place of mutual respect.
You know normally they are very quick to address concerns... whether people like how they addressed the blacklist situation or not they still removed the addon and in 7.2 will make sure it can't be duplicated. They responded to that right away. Yoshi-P did personally.

Yet all this other talk - there hasn't really been much at all.
As much as people enjoy creating caricatures of what they deem adversaries as drooling infants incapable of understanding their own success or how to capitalize on it. That level of aggression often blinds us from reality.

I really can't bring myself to look at the Dev team that way. In life as much as anything you should practice an approach that someone you are questioning knows more than you.
So as much as people may not like the current state of the game a lot of the noise comes from bubbles of controversy.


Some among us have probably been critical of FF14 since HW... most certainly it seems at least 5.0 - so any failure that gets picked up presently is treated retroactively as confirmation bias.
I'm not acknowledging truth or falsehoods in this belief but highlighting a single bubble that may operate and be blinded purely in bad faith lassoing or connecting with bubbles of recent controversy.

Another example is recent grumblings about Mogstation items - it never was a major issue before but then this gets added into the bubble... it's a completely irrelevant gripe but it's fuel to the fire.
FF16 didn't sell as well... you get the old school FF audience (which to be fair - every new FF game is hated and then later loved starting with 9 I'd say) But that gets tethered to peoples bad feelings about DT.
Completely unrelated things connecting together.

So many bubbles... These are just a few examples. So much static but the are all clusters of bubbles there's not much in common other than a collected dissatisfaction which only amplifies pre-existing ones.
In so doing creates this illusionary cascade that the current state of the game is in greater disarray than it actually is.

This is the kind of stuff that if it wasn't all disjointed probably be addressed. Even I've been surprised at a lack of response to the growing negative sentiment - and the devs aren't known for not addressing the controversy, especially for the state of the game.
So my suspicion is there must be a reason for their confidence and that confidence makes me confident. The "Let them cook" axiom comes to mind. In times of doubt never panic. In times of certainty time to panic for things to go wrong.
All that being said... I think a direct communication at some point to clear the air with maybe a streamer or something would help better clear the air - less ambiguity that can be misinterpreted. Or a direct message.

[Nana137]

WoW Recently has been running laps around you with Housing

Grass is often not as green on the other side as you would like to believe, and so true when it comes to WoW. Blizz has a reliable track record of dropping and neglecting content that is no longer considered 'current' or only enjoyed by a minority player base. PvP is a great example, and I don't think Housing will be any different, particularly when opinions on this new addition are polarised. This is what happens when the company primarily focus on profit and not player experience.

How do I know? Well, a few friends and I just left WoW after long years of playing, mainly because we dislike how Blizz runs WoW. We are now trying out both ESO and FF14 and hope they will be different

[Nadda]

Grass is often not as green on the other side as you would like to believe, and so true when it comes to WoW. Blizz has a reliable track record of dropping and neglecting content that is no longer considered 'current' or only enjoyed by a minority player base. PvP is a great example, and I don't think Housing will be any different, particularly when opinions on this new addition are polarised. This is what happens when the company primarily focus on profit and not player experience.

How do I know? Well, a few friends and I just left WoW after long years of playing, mainly because we dislike how Blizz runs WoW. We are now trying out both ESO and FF14 and hope they will be different

Tis the truth of the matter.

WoW is still WoW at the end of the day.
It's doing what it can to garner some* good will and if that's enough to say.. slightly tweak our housing system here in FF14. That's good.

But all in all, when people say they want some grinding casual content.

They mean they want it how FF14 can do it. Because we know what it looks like and it's better. (That's where a lot of people are frustrated - They see FF14's untapped potential, but it's a potential UNIQUELY FF14 that WoW can't duplicate)
Because we do eventually want to complete whatever grind we're on and have it there for future generations as something fun for them to do. Just look at Eureka and Bozja or the relic grinds for several weapons or gold saucer.
People still to this day are doing those things but they aren't painful grinds and you don't HAVE to do them.

And that's the honest truth, WoW is still WoW. We FF14 players (not as an insult) we're kind of selfish. We want the good stuff and the experience of having something to log in for... but without it being something we LITERALLY- Have to log in for.