Thread: They are gutting Black Mage even more in 7.2

Originally Posted by Rithy255

The solution isn't to get rid of a jobs weaknesses its to buff it's strength, BLM was hard to master and was designed around having the highest damage. What's the point of having a job system if they are all the same but different animations.

This is meant to be a MMORPG, But theirs no job system (the trinity system doesn't even make sense), so i can barely call it a RPG, theirs hardly any social aspects either so it's a stretch to even call this game a MMO anymore.

Current Black Mage is irrelevant on a foundational level. 'Buffing it's strength' isn't going to make Black Mage any less likely to be excluded from a static recruitment, especially when it's also the job with the widest variation in performance between individual players. It doesn't matter if you're some God-tier raider on Black Mage, if what you bring to the table serves little value otherwise.

Why should I trust a random BLM main, when I can instead trust the Summoner to put out more consistent and respectable damage, and bring utility as well?

Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

Current Black Mage is irrelevant on a foundational level. 'Buffing it's strength' isn't going to make Black Mage any less likely to be excluded from a static recruitment, especially when it's also the job with the widest variation in performance between individual players. It doesn't matter if you're some God-tier raider on Black Mage, if what you bring to the table serves little value otherwise.

Why should I trust a random BLM main, when I can instead trust the Summoner to put out more consistent and respectable damage, and bring utility as well?

The solution for you is to turn black mage into summoner, because people like you can't handle unique job design with visible strengths and weaknesses

Excluding a black mage without seeing how they perform in the party is just ridiculous in the first place, even if you wanted a utility rez caster you know black mage can fill in for melee... as their whole point is they deal high damage like melees do.

Yoshi-P and devs, i'm sorry but is this some kind of joke?

I know full well that 7.2 isn't even out yet, but please, stop gutting BLM and other jobs...

Originally Posted by Rithy255

The solution for you is to turn black mage into summoner, because people like you can't handle unique job design with visible strengths and weaknesses

Excluding a black mage without seeing how they perform in the party is just ridiculous in the first place, even if you wanted a utility rez caster you know black mage can fill in for melee... as their whole point is they deal high damage like melees do.

The person you're responding to does not do any form of end game content. They are not excluding BLM/making party decisions because they don't do anything that would require it. They're just a little armchair kid that doesn't matter. Don't give them your time.

Originally Posted by Wired-Lain

Its funny cause when summoner got redesigned I thought it was actually kind of cool, instead of dots we're actually yknow, summoning things. It was dirt simple but I assumed it was just a basic foundation for further development and complexity down the line.

But now I see its just the intended design, for everyone it seems.

In theory new summoner is an ACTUAL summoner. However, DT dropped and instead of giving us more summons, for example Odin. Imagine summoning Odin and going into a melee phase or just doing more damage while he's active etc. Just more summons, anything. Instead SMN got another bahamut, yay.

Originally Posted by SubmarineAlt

The person you're responding to does not do any form of end game content. They are not excluding BLM/making party decisions because they don't do anything that would require it. They're just a little armchair kid that doesn't matter. Don't give them your time.

Ah makes sense for these forums, thanks for the heads up.

Originally Posted by Niervel

That wasn't the reason for the change. Despair refreshes AF, so you just cast flare-star afterwards. The reason was that Paradox-fire going from fire-1's cast-time to instant-cast meant that AF was refreshed 2.5s earlier, in a GCD - rather than just as the GCD was ending. This meant that instead of 15s to fit in 3 F3s and Despair, you now had 12.5. As a result, the recommendation was generally to do 4x F4 -> P-F -> 2x F4 -> Despair -> FS, making the second phase exceedingly tight. If you had to refresh Thunder or avoid overcapping on Polyglot, you would also need to burn a swift or triple to fit Despair or otherwise use Firestarter to keep AF rolling.

Thats basically what I meant, and it was also a welcome change for high end players because it opened up alot of allowance for non-standard
How else you interpret what I meant? Anyways, that isnt the main topic for the day

Originally Posted by Absurdity

Mostly naivety. Coming from Stormblood into Shadowbringers most people still thought the devs actually knew what they were doing.
Stormblood Machinist, while still competitive in a perfect environment, wasn't exactly a great experience. The expectation was that the 5.0 rework was a clean slate to build a new identity upon, instead it ended up completely directionless and just got more random damage buttons stapled onto it as a bandaid.

I don’t know why anyone thought this clean slate argument was going to go anywhere because SB to ShB wiped 4 jobs back to a clean slate (MCH, WHM, AST, SCH) and they literally could not articulate why they decided to do this for especially the healers. HW->SB was really the end of the devs making a change and being able to go “we did this change for x y z reasons and aim to achieve a b and c” starting with those 4 job wipes it became “give it a try” or complete radio silence

Sure we had more trust back then but you could see their design slipping in SB, the pointless gauges, toilet paper Lilys, the god awful 4.2 WAR redesign. Their “control” over the jobs really felt like it was slipping in SB