Regulators principles

[innis31]

Well when you could upload yourself into a new body the physical would mean less then the mental but thats more of a transhumanism thing.

[Cleretic]

Considering she wants to steal our soul to make hers whole, it makes me wonder if they're doing some form of physical ailment not dissimilar to self-tempering to the beast soul's primary aether signature. While I truthfully believe this raid series will end with us taking down the Chairman of the Arcadion because this is a wrestling story, a compelling side-story or twist would be finding a way to fix the problem without tearing down the entire Arcadion from the top down.

I'm guessing we will to some degree, because... well, we aren't the type of people, and in a type of game, that would let such a toxic status quo continue, but at the same time it's also established that the Arcadion is a big part of Alexandria's culture. I suspect the entire thing is a metaphor for substance abuse and the treatment of athletes in professional sport, and from that lens it makes sense that we won't shut it down; all the problems with the NFL are horrible, but you can't just solve them by shutting down football.

My guess is that our own participation will lead to the solution: we're winning by raw personal skill (and seven other people('s souls) doing the same), and we don't just prove the superiority of that over the feral soul transformations, we also prove that people will still be interested in watching.

Well when you could upload yourself into a new body the physical would mean less then the mental but thats more of a transhumanism thing.

That's also not what the Endless are, and even if it was, you might remember that we shut that system down.

[Astralia]

What about Estinien's case ?
He was possessed by Nidhogg, and during the final fight in 3.3, Nidhogg could take a hybrid form with mostly Estinien body in appearance, and his wings.
Since then, Estinien can call forth Nidhogg's power (I think it is the case ?).
Besides, did Nidhogg's remaining Aether fuse with Estinien's when he bathed in his blood and been possessed such a long time (maybe it enhanced his strength above what he could have achieved alone without that power/possession or bathing in Nidhogg's blood) ?
Could he take a hybrid form similar to the Arcadion's fighters if he wanted to ?

[innis31]

What about Estinien's case ?
He was possessed by Nidhogg, and during the final fight in 3.3, Nidhogg could take a hybrid form with mostly Estinien body in appearance, and his wings.
Since then, Estinien can call forth Nidhogg's power (I think it is the case ?).
Besides, did Nidhogg's remaining Aether fuse with Estinien's when he bathed in his blood and been possessed such a long time (maybe it enhanced his strength above what he could have achieved alone without that power/possession or bathing in Nidhogg's blood) ?
Could he take a hybrid form similar to the Arcadion's fighters if he wanted to ?

I think that sounds believable there are myths about bathing in dragons blood and gaining power and while he should be able to transform transformation like that is reserved for the enemy.

[Remarus]

I think that sounds believable there are myths about bathing in dragons blood and gaining power and while he should be able to transform transformation like that is reserved for the enemy.

It's more drinking dragon's blood. We've seen several times in the MSQ and side stories about Ishgardians who drank the blood and transformed into various types of scalekin/dragons. There's a quest series in the Firmament about a guy who turned into one and couldn't turn back.

[SannaR]

What about Estinien's case ?
He was possessed by Nidhogg, and during the final fight in 3.3, Nidhogg could take a hybrid form with mostly Estinien body in appearance, and his wings.
Since then, Estinien can call forth Nidhogg's power (I think it is the case ?).
Besides, did Nidhogg's remaining Aether fuse with Estinien's when he bathed in his blood and been possessed such a long time (maybe it enhanced his strength above what he could have achieved alone without that power/possession or bathing in Nidhogg's blood) ?
Could he take a hybrid form similar to the Arcadion's fighters if he wanted to ?

I feel that he could transform, but that without full on access to an unsundered soul like Nidhogg's it would take a toll on him. As physical transformations seem to use a lot of aether. For even not every Ancient was able to physically transform if Hythlodaeus was being truthful and not extremely modest. Though Estinien seems to have kept the ability to use temporary physical clones of himself after said possession and do a huge stardiver/drg lb3. It's been a while since I saw what he exactly does to finish the fight with that experimental ultima weapon in that echo flashback.

[Cleretic]

I feel that he could transform, but that without full on access to an unsundered soul like Nidhogg's it would take a toll on him. As physical transformations seem to use a lot of aether. For even not every Ancient was able to physically transform if Hythlodaeus was being truthful and not extremely modest. Though Estinien seems to have kept the ability to use temporary physical clones of himself after said possession and do a huge stardiver/drg lb3. It's been a while since I saw what he exactly does to finish the fight with that experimental ultima weapon in that echo flashback.

Also, the guy can destroy a cannon the size of a building with just a spear, and that's on the LOWER end of his stunts. I don't think he needs the extra juice of a potentially dangerous transformation, guy seems plenty powerful as-is.

[innis31]

I always thought that the two (Endless/regulators) were different systems like becoming an Endless is called going to the cloud and the regulators was kinda like a save function for the mind. So I imagine that an upload to one of the many robots that are around isn't a problem.

[RedLolly]

I agree with SannaR.

Judging by what Varshahn/Vitra says regarding Estinien, Estinien is as much Nidhogg as he is an elezan man. I think the fusion of their aether is what happened, and everything in game hints that much of the reason behind Estinien's incredible boost in power is because he's permanently infused by the aether of one of the first brood.

Regulators, interestingly, would never had to account for dragons and their unique physiology since the dragons only exist on the sundered Source. But I do wonder if a fighter tries to use a dragon like a feral soul in a future fight.