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    Quote Originally Posted by YukioKobayashi View Post
    And this comes from someone without ex, savage or ultimate clears?
    Ive started playing a long time before ShB but ok.
    The 1. Raidtier has always been easy since Stormblood. Always a pushover in terms of DPS Checks. The 2. Raidtier on the other Hand was always somewhat challenging when it comes to DPS Chekcs. Look Brute Justice, Kefka Doorboss, Shiva and P8. The first Raidtier is meant to be easy DPS-Checkwise to give players the time to learn and get used to new Jobs and Rotationchanges. Otherwise we would get another A3 Staticbreaker incident.
    But please ask all the PLD Mains if raiding in HW was so much better. Ask all the WHM Mains in early Stormblood if eating most Tankbusters after Almagest was fun to deal with. But everything back then was so much better , right?
    Even if you ignore A4S...

    Exdeath had a very tough DPS check. So too did Titan, although you can argue that was because of the encounter time bug. P4S's DPS check was tight but can be easily circumvented by going MNK+RPR, so it was probably more of an issue with job balance by that point.

    M4S is completely different. In NO first raid tier have people been able to clear it week 1 with 5 deaths and not even see enrage. And that is even without a Pictomancer.

    Also: covering WHM to soak tankbusters was actually peak gameplay. It was fun, unique, and unexpected. Imagine letting aggro mechanics and unique abilities like Cover create unique, emergent gameplay in a RPG? You will never see that in modern FF14. PLD sucked but people like you are so unimaginative that you think the only way to address job imbalance is to remove job identity and dumb down all the jobs. (Also, PLD only sucked in optimization in SB and solved the issue of PLD's weak magic mit in HW. It was very good for prog.)

    Anyways, please keep complaining about ERP while crying that the game is actually good and has good gameplay right now. It's like you are incapable of identifying cause and effect.



    Oh also,

    why are you even arguing about DPS checks when you haven't even cleared a single Savage tier before week 4 or 5

    You are not even in a position to EVER have experienced a DPS check in a Savage tier. I don't really get people like you, trying to argue about things you clearly have no first-hand experience with.
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    Are you serious? shaming in a Japanese mmo? Do you realize in their culture if shammed they will (hara-kiri)(seppuku) themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagotura View Post
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    I agree with you. Partially. But I never said the game is good. I even said that the game always had issues that were solved by creating other issues instead.
    O4S had maybe a higher dps check, but also had RDM in a expantion with way less 8-Man bodychecks cheesing you through the entire fight and speeding up prog this way.
    M4S being cleared with 5 deaths was also the result of solving issues by creating another one. It was because of pct being too broken. Its no secret that they buffed other Jobs instead of nerfing pct without adjusting the upcomming raidtier probably because of fear to disappoint the playerbase again like that one time they adjusted the difficulty without the time to properly playtest it in E7S.

    Having to cover a WHM for a tankbuster because of a aggroreset was maybe engaging and unique but also unhealthy for the game. Stormblood was a rough time for DRK mostly because of PLD's cover and other utility.
    PLD being good in prog during HW might be true, but do you really think having to cast Stoneskin for everything while also having both Off- and Tankstance on a GCD was fun? Not to mention all the issues that accrued while playing PLD+DRK.
    There are other ways to make a Job fun and enganging to play. Shield Swipe for example. Having to pay attention to incoming DMG and your Oath Gauge for a minor 100p gain was fun. I really hope they dont take Third Eye from SAM away in the future.

    Regarding your last comment,
    You know that the raidtier doesnt end after one week, right? I'm not clearing a tier week one because im PF'ing since the middle of sigmascape while not having the time to sit 15 hours per day in party finder.
    E8S dps-check for example was a problem for PF even with gear months later. Something we have never seen in the first tier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukioKobayashi View Post
    I agree with you. Partially. But I never said the game is good. I even said that the game always had issues that were solved by creating other issues instead.
    OK now I hope that you can see why the game's issues attract ERPers and cause a lot of raiders to slowly quit. If you've been playing since HW, surely you have noticed that the player culture has shifted dramatically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagacious View Post
    Are you serious? shaming in a Japanese mmo? Do you realize in their culture if shammed they will (hara-kiri)(seppuku) themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagotura View Post
    OK now I hope that you can see why the game's issues attract ERPers and cause a lot of raiders to slowly quit. If you've been playing since HW, surely you have noticed that the player culture has shifted dramatically?
    you are also aware that alots of raiders also Roleplay? But I will say it always make me sad that when people see the RP tag they all assume ERP when it isn't the case
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagotura View Post
    OK now I hope that you can see why the game's issues attract ERPers and cause a lot of raiders to slowly quit. If you've been playing since HW, surely you have noticed that the player culture has shifted dramatically?
    Not all RPers are gooning ERPers. Some people just run bookstores, or cafes, or crime syndicates, or monster-hunting guilds, or actually roleplay their Free Company. Just because something has the RP tag doesn't automatically make it degenerate trash. As stated, the division of "Raider" and "RPer" is false, because I know many players who participate in both styles of content. Gotta have something to do after running the same 4 fights til your eyes bleed. Yes, there was a drastic upsurge in "nightclub/ERP" stuff after the COVID restrictions IRL back during Shadowbringers, can't deny that. However, that's not what all RP is and you're trying to damn everyone by association.

    Also, "Online interactions not rated by the ESRB." You may not like it, but that's how it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris View Post

    Also, "Online interactions not rated by the ESRB." You may not like it, but that's how it is.
    You do realise that the ESRB is NA, right? Pegi and USK do rate online interactions.
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