How is this allowed?

[YukioKobayashi]

I'm just gunna say, if any 12yo are playing games like GTA or playing any MMO without supervision, the parents aren't parenting. Don't blame the game for not being an appropriate babysitter.

I dont think you understood what i meant there. There was someone trying to defend ERP Club Ad's with inappropriate language. Saying as long the shout contains "NSFW" or/and "18+" it should be allowed in a game thats 12+. Language itself can be inappropriate enough to not be used in a 12+ game shoutchat/PF.

Then report it? The function is there for a reason if you think rules have been broken. Complaining on forums will do diddly squat.

Forums are there to point out stuff that is going obviously wrong. Sorry lmao.

I have flashbacks of those parents who ask you to educate their children for them, happily forgetting that your role as a teacher is not to do everything but to help them progress in a given subject.
Same thing here, as you say: games can't replace parental control either.

The difference is that this is not a classroom. Its SE's Job to make this game safe for an 12+ y/o if they lable it as a 12+ game. At least to the extent that you dont see ERP Club Ad's in the Major Ingame Cities containing inappropriate language or/and links to websites/dc-server with inappropriate content for an 12y/o.
Im not a parent myself and will probably never be but if I were I would at least expect SE to work on making the game 12+ conform including community created content.

[Dakimakura]

I dont think you understood what i meant there.

No, I understand fully what you meant. I don't think the examples you provided were explicit enough to warrant outrage. They were suggestive at best, but again if you are supervising your 12y/o, they're not gunna get sucked into a night club ad in chat just like they wouldn't get drawn into a night club on the street.

Adults should be allowed to connect with other adults as long as they aren't being inappropriately explicit or obscene in public. The mere mention of "NSFW" or 18+ is not explicit, it's a descriptor/warning of the nature of the event.

Again it's not the job of SE's nor other strangers online, to baby-sit someone else's kids.

[Merrigan]

The difference is that this is not a classroom. Its SE's Job to make this game safe for an 12+ y/o if they lable it as a 12+ game. At least to the extent that you dont see ERP Club Ad's in the Major Ingame Cities containing inappropriate language or/and links to websites/dc-server with inappropriate content for an 12y/o.
Im not a parent myself and will probably never be but if I were I would at least expect SE to work on making the game 12+ conform including community created content.

There's not that much difference, because both examples are based on the same observation: the regulatory authority (teacher / SE here) can't control everything. The parent is needed at all times, because they are the first to be able to decide what is good for their child, and the first to be aware of the impact that an external stimulus has on their offspring.

In the more specific case of MMORPGs in general, your post misses one point: you can't, and never will be able to, completely control this type of drift. You can regulate them, however. Here, for example, you could be tougher on ads in chat, but accept ads in PF (as long as they're honest, which I think is essential if a kid isn't going to ‘accidentally’ fall into a club that's too evocative).

But the all-control you seem to advocate is not achievable. And I've already mentioned another concern in a similar post: outright bans can have disastrous consequences. In this case, banning this type of advertising won't make ERP users disappear. It will just lead to a more discreet practice, and a displacement of the problem (towards, perhaps, even less controlled platforms such as discord). And then we'll be facing a real problem, much bigger in any case than a discreet ‘18+ club’.

Visibility also allows a degree of control, and that's something we shouldn't forget.

Finally, I'd like to reinforce the message of a previous post: MMORPGs claim to be accessible to 12+ children. They never are. If it's not sexual content, it'll be the presence of adults using inappropriate language (insults) that poses a problem; the intrusion of an increasingly manipulative economic system, with the introduction of systems such as payment via livebox on certain games, which is nothing more than an invitation to consume for young teenagers who don't yet fully understand the value of money. And apart from that, the story is often inappropriate. I've seen a number of posts focusing on the presence of sex trafficking in MSQ, and once again I'm surprised by the ultra-focus on sex, which seems to crystallise all the debates on the accessibility of content to children. But what about the mention of suicide during Endwalker? The mention of the end of the world? These are much tougher subjects than the famous big bad sex.