Originally Posted by Red-thunder

If you agree then you can see why FF14 is now an ERP game. If people want this problem to be gone maybe they should hold the game's combat content to a certain standard and not just excuse the slop. Because that's the ultimate source of the issue. While you may agree with that OP clearly doesn't and I don't know if he realizes or not that there's a reason the ERP clubbing scene took hold, and it's not just because of COVID (it didn't happen in many other MMOs did it?)

No no i agree with you. You have a point. But unfortunately this game is now already infested with those people. The real problem will be to get rid of them again.
They try to push the raiding community by releasing lots of raid content, but thats not enough. We do need a combat reform of some sort.

Originally Posted by Kishin12345

I hate to tell you, but you are 100% wrong. It is mostly combat focused. That is the game's core. There is no way to progress in the game without interacting with the combat system. You probably still mistake this as some kind of second life game or something.
The role playing refers to the gaming genre. It means you develop your character by upgrading the level or gear or stats. It doesnt really mean "role playing" like pretending to be something or someone else.
That roleplay stuff you mean has never been popular. Only since i would say around shadowbringers these people started popping up. Sure there were some before. Probably even during ARR but it was a very small part of the community.

I've never met anyone who started playing FF14 because they'd heard the combat system was good, largely because it isn't.

Originally Posted by Daughterofdeath

most people playing this game isnt playing it for the combat, in fact few people would even mind if they removed combat completely with how poorly its designed, and thats false WOW is combat 24/7 open world pvp and battle constantly and diablo well diablo is just pure combat (which isnt in the same genre lol)

People do combat yes but very few people care about combat in the game they only do it as a means to end to get that sexy glamour piece to rp with or stand around limsa with lol


the could 100% turn this game into palia with the only combat being going and hunting animals and noone would care very few people would even mind it lol

Are you sure we play the same game? xD

Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I've never met anyone who started playing FF14 because they'd heard the combat system was good, largely because it isn't.

It was great though! You mightve missed the glorious HW times. Truly you had to make so many more decisions about the rotations. I and my entire FC started playing for that reason. But on the contrary, i never heard about anyone starting this game for RP reason either

Originally Posted by Kishin12345

It was great though! You mightve missed the glorious HW times. Truly you had to make so many more decisions about the rotations. I and my entire FC started playing for that reason. But on the contrary, i never heard about anyone starting this game for RP reason either

HW was glorious. There's a reason back then in Idyllshire people talked about rotations, about opti, about raids, and just generally banter with each other. Something you never see anymore in FF14.

I miss the days when you don't even know if you can finish Mhach or Dun Scaith without running out of the timer. That led to good memories. The game felt like an actual game, and you're playing with actual people.

Now lmao, now it's just ERP

Originally Posted by Kishin12345

No no i agree with you. You have a point. But unfortunately this game is now already infested with those people. The real problem will be to get rid of them again.
They try to push the raiding community by releasing lots of raid content, but thats not enough. We do need a combat reform of some sort.

It's going to be really tough now that Ishgard is no longer a fanatical, heretic-burning theocracy.

Originally Posted by Kishin12345

It was great though! You mightve missed the glorious HW times. Truly you had to make so many more decisions about the rotations. I and my entire FC started playing for that reason. But on the contrary, i never heard about anyone starting this game for RP reason either

I have. A lot of the WoW players who came, including myself did. I know at least over 10 people who did.
Because the rp mechanics in this game are superior to WoW's aside from a few tidbits like not being able to lie down everywhere, holding large events easily cause you cant put down a marker for your whole alliance raid. Etc

Originally Posted by Kishin12345

No no i agree with you. You have a point. But unfortunately this game is now already infested with those people. The real problem will be to get rid of them again.
They try to push the raiding community by releasing lots of raid content, but thats not enough. We do need a combat reform of some sort.

WoW has Goldshire, 14 has Quicksands.
When theres a will theres a way. Not calling out any witch hunts, but if you witness ERP content in public you can report it.
If its done in private its following ToS

Originally Posted by Hallarem

WoW has Goldshire, 14 has Quicksands.
When theres a will theres a way. Not calling out any witch hunts, but if you witness ERP content in public you can report it.
If its done in private its following ToS

Quicksands ERP scene is pretty much only on Balmung. I can sit there on Light DC without someone hitting on me without my consent.
But since you play(ed) both games aswell you can see the huge difference between the RP community in WoW and XIV.
We can probably both agree that Limsa is the Orgrimmar/Stormwind of FFXIV. In all the years I played WoW I've never seen a single ERP Event Ad with inappropriate Language while Idling in Orgrimmar. Meanwhile Limsa "RP" Event Ad's are going totally crazy like the one example I gave on Page 10 in this post.

Originally Posted by Kishin12345

It was great though! You mightve missed the glorious HW times. Truly you had to make so many more decisions about the rotations. I and my entire FC started playing for that reason. But on the contrary, i never heard about anyone starting this game for RP reason either

You're somewhat conflating job design with combat. FFXIV's combat has always suffered from an egregiously long global cooldown and janky netcode that limits the types of mechanics they can use.

In any case, re: the greater thread, I don't see ERP as all that much of an issue. Just don't AFK in Limsa? I barely see any of that stuff. That said, as long as FFXIV remains the premier destination for it, it's gonna be here to stay.