How is this allowed?

[Hallarem]

Quicksands ERP scene is pretty much only on Balmung. I can sit there on Light DC without someone hitting on me without my consent.
But since you play(ed) both games aswell you can see the huge difference between the RP community in WoW and XIV.
We can probably both agree that Limsa is the Orgrimmar/Stormwind of FFXIV. In all the years I played WoW I've never seen a single ERP Event Ad with inappropriate Language while Idling in Orgrimmar. Meanwhile Limsa "RP" Event Ad's are going totally crazy like the one example I gave on Page 10 in this post.

Then report it? The function is there for a reason if you think rules have been broken. Complaining on forums will do diddly squat.

[YukioKobayashi]

I'm just gunna say, if any 12yo are playing games like GTA or playing any MMO without supervision, the parents aren't parenting. Don't blame the game for not being an appropriate babysitter.

I dont think you understood what i meant there. There was someone trying to defend ERP Club Ad's with inappropriate language. Saying as long the shout contains "NSFW" or/and "18+" it should be allowed in a game thats 12+. Language itself can be inappropriate enough to not be used in a 12+ game shoutchat/PF.

Then report it? The function is there for a reason if you think rules have been broken. Complaining on forums will do diddly squat.

Forums are there to point out stuff that is going obviously wrong. Sorry lmao.

I have flashbacks of those parents who ask you to educate their children for them, happily forgetting that your role as a teacher is not to do everything but to help them progress in a given subject.
Same thing here, as you say: games can't replace parental control either.

The difference is that this is not a classroom. Its SE's Job to make this game safe for an 12+ y/o if they lable it as a 12+ game. At least to the extent that you dont see ERP Club Ad's in the Major Ingame Cities containing inappropriate language or/and links to websites/dc-server with inappropriate content for an 12y/o.
Im not a parent myself and will probably never be but if I were I would at least expect SE to work on making the game 12+ conform including community created content.

[Dakimakura]

I dont think you understood what i meant there.

No, I understand fully what you meant. I don't think the examples you provided were explicit enough to warrant outrage. They were suggestive at best, but again if you are supervising your 12y/o, they're not gunna get sucked into a night club ad in chat just like they wouldn't get drawn into a night club on the street.

Adults should be allowed to connect with other adults as long as they aren't being inappropriately explicit or obscene in public. The mere mention of "NSFW" or 18+ is not explicit, it's a descriptor/warning of the nature of the event.

Again it's not the job of SE's nor other strangers online, to baby-sit someone else's kids.

[Merrigan]

The difference is that this is not a classroom. Its SE's Job to make this game safe for an 12+ y/o if they lable it as a 12+ game. At least to the extent that you dont see ERP Club Ad's in the Major Ingame Cities containing inappropriate language or/and links to websites/dc-server with inappropriate content for an 12y/o.
Im not a parent myself and will probably never be but if I were I would at least expect SE to work on making the game 12+ conform including community created content.

There's not that much difference, because both examples are based on the same observation: the regulatory authority (teacher / SE here) can't control everything. The parent is needed at all times, because they are the first to be able to decide what is good for their child, and the first to be aware of the impact that an external stimulus has on their offspring.

In the more specific case of MMORPGs in general, your post misses one point: you can't, and never will be able to, completely control this type of drift. You can regulate them, however. Here, for example, you could be tougher on ads in chat, but accept ads in PF (as long as they're honest, which I think is essential if a kid isn't going to ‘accidentally’ fall into a club that's too evocative).

But the all-control you seem to advocate is not achievable. And I've already mentioned another concern in a similar post: outright bans can have disastrous consequences. In this case, banning this type of advertising won't make ERP users disappear. It will just lead to a more discreet practice, and a displacement of the problem (towards, perhaps, even less controlled platforms such as discord). And then we'll be facing a real problem, much bigger in any case than a discreet ‘18+ club’.

Visibility also allows a degree of control, and that's something we shouldn't forget.

Finally, I'd like to reinforce the message of a previous post: MMORPGs claim to be accessible to 12+ children. They never are. If it's not sexual content, it'll be the presence of adults using inappropriate language (insults) that poses a problem; the intrusion of an increasingly manipulative economic system, with the introduction of systems such as payment via livebox on certain games, which is nothing more than an invitation to consume for young teenagers who don't yet fully understand the value of money. And apart from that, the story is often inappropriate. I've seen a number of posts focusing on the presence of sex trafficking in MSQ, and once again I'm surprised by the ultra-focus on sex, which seems to crystallise all the debates on the accessibility of content to children. But what about the mention of suicide during Endwalker? The mention of the end of the world? These are much tougher subjects than the famous big bad sex.

[DiaDeem]

Guess I'll just quote my other reply:

This again??

- Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB
- ERP Has been part of MMOS for at least 20 years. Are you new to online gaming?
- If you're letting your 13 year old child play an online game without supervision, you're an awful parent/guardian.
- Why do you care about what consenting adults do or don't do in private venues?

[YukioKobayashi]

Guess I'll just quote my other reply:

Code of Conduct
9.2 Community Standards: Signatories shall ensure that their terms of service with players in Online Gameplay Environments incorporate certain provisions in easily understandable language that are usually included under the heading of so-called ‘Community Standards’. These provisions shall:

9.2.1 prohibit players from introducing content or indulging in online behaviour which is illegal and/or harmful. Such provisions shall describe the consequences of any breach of their terms.
Examples of such content or behaviour can be: abusive, bullying, corrupting, defamatory, degrading, fraudulent, harassing, insulting, obscene, offensive, racist, sexist, threatening content, or content that incites violence, terrorism, hatred or self-harm, or that might impair the physical, mental or moral development of players.
9.2.2 ensure that all reasonably practicable precautions are taken to ensure that Online Gameplay Environments that allow text, voice, video chat, or image sharing protect children from access to age-inappropriate content introduced by other players.


I'm pretty sure it is against the ToS looking at 9.2.2.

And again... Its not about ERP behind closed doors, Its about the way its advertised in Shoutchat and Partyfinder.

[CNitsah]

I'm pretty sure it is against the ToS looking at 9.2.2.

And again... Its not about ERP behind closed doors, Its about the way its advertised in Shoutchat and Partyfinder.

As the one that brought that to the thread in the first place, this ain't the ToS, this is the PEGI code of conduct (the european equivalent of the ESRB).

[Heavenchild]

I really could not care less about those stuff. FF14 is and was never adressed to actual children. Like any other big MMO, no child should unobserved play it.
FF14 has also different age ratings depending on region. For example EU ratetd it PEGI 16, what makes sense. It's simmilar to the original Japanese Cero C (15 and older).
My country germany nevertheless rated it 12, and noone can understand what they smoked when they decided this.

In the end an online MMO is no place for children. For example ShB also is rated with 'particial nudity and sexual themes'.
I wonder why this topic is coming up again and again. It's a little bit tiresome. Let the people who enjoy that stuff have their fun and don't try to steal them easy ways to find each other.
This stuff exists in every MMO and will never disappear. I think it's fine that they do it like this.
It would be much more annoying if they had to randomly try to find other players with the same interest, and had to write try and error whispers.

I don't want to get random whispers with ambiguous requests for ERP. Stop trying to defend something (actual children) when they are not really there. Most people I met in this game where 30+.
Since 2015 I only ONE TIME met a child. But playing together with it's mom. So as it should be.

[YukioKobayashi]

At this point I'm starting to believe SE should give us courtesans as an actual playable job.
Turning the "ABC" Always Be Casting to Always Be C**k-S**king...