Yuweyawata Field Station is so wrong

[Raenra]

Don't bother doing Expert Dungeon roulette in DT, used to do it every day.
The only lev100 dungeon I enjoy is the cactus one.
If wondrous tails asks for it, I'll queue that one specifically.

[Mawlzy]

Edit on reading that discord message: it's pretty trite overall and has been there since forever. You can detect the core of the message, or the face beneath the mask if you will, as soon as you read the words "pulling your own weight" or "effort put in the game", and I'm afraid it's tied to a true political divide IRL that goes beyond just this game. It's a matter of core values rather than gaming standards.
Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen

Oh that's a fascinating observation. Unfortunately, the dominant ideology expressed here seems closer to sich am eigenen Schopf aus dem Sumpf ziehen.

[Arohk]

Appreciate the offer though, and would appreciate any help you can offer.

And it's most likely a combination of slow reaction speed, misunderstanding game mechanics, and - to be honest - I'm not great at remembering what I've seen. It's one of the reasons watching/reading guides isn't of much benefit - I don't recall much of what I've seen and can't put what little I do remember into practice.

Thank you for your time yesterday, it was very insightful and i learned something from it.
I thought about this over night and how to solve your issue, let me try to describe it with an anology, please dont understand this as an insult , because i don't mean it that way.

Watching you play is similar to someone driving a car without a steering wheel, you may get forward but you are bound to crash.
Because you are clicking all your abilities, you distract yourself from what is happening around you, it is impossible to focus on the fight and move around properly when you constantly must focus on your curser and where to click, you also can not click fast enough to use all your potential. I can not imagine someone perform well that way, especialy on APM heavy jobs.

To be frank, this game is NOT ment to be played with mouse only. I thought about a solution of how to fix your problem with keybinds but it requires some work, you need to completly reset your habits of clicking and start over from ground up. Since you still have some unleveled jobs, i Suggest to restart at Level 1 and really try to keybind every new ability you get and refrain from clicking any skills at all as much as possible to get used to it.
Trust me, you will benefit from that on the long run and enjoy the game much more.


Anyhow, i stand by my point that the dungeon difficulty is not the problem, i get the suspicion that most people that struggle like you are playing the game in a very "inconvenient" way and that is why it seems so difficult for them.

[Mawlzy]

To be frank, this game is NOT ment to be played with mouse only. I thought about a solution of how to fix your problem with keybinds but it requires some work, you need to completly reset your habits of clicking and start over from ground up. Since you still have some unleveled jobs, i Suggest to restart at Level 1 and really try to keybind every new ability you get and refrain from clicking any skills at all as much as possible to get used to it.
Trust me, you will benefit from that on the long run and enjoy the game much more.


Anyhow, i stand by my point that the dungeon difficulty is not the problem, i get the suspicion that most people that struggle like you are playing the game in a very "inconvenient" way and that is why it seems so difficult for them.

I've been down this path with a couple of people in my FC. The transition from clicking to keybind is not at all easy. I mentioned I have to use a hybrid system because I cannot get beyond 15 keybinds.

So I sort of agree with you that the current job kits work poorly for mouse only, but I think it goes further than that. PvE in this game suits controllers far better than kb/m. And, of course, controllers are far more common in JP.

Nevertheless, dungeon design is a compounding problem. When the difficulty of encounters is based purely on dodging, the mouse has to be dedicated (almost) exclusively to motion. I agree with you that this makes clicking inconvenient and severely limits damage output. But unlearning this habit when it has worked perfectly well in other games is a very tall order.

[Arohk]

I've been down this path with a couple of people in my FC. The transition from clicking to keybind is not at all easy. I mentioned I have to use a hybrid system because I cannot get beyond 15 keybinds.

So I sort of agree with you that the current job kits work poorly for mouse only, but I think it goes further than that. PvE in this game suits controllers far better than kb/m. And, of course, controllers are far more common in JP.

Nevertheless, dungeon design is a compounding problem. When the difficulty of encounters is based purely on dodging, the mouse has to be dedicated (almost) exclusively to motion. I agree with you that this makes clicking inconvenient and severely limits damage output. But unlearning this habit when it has worked perfectly well in other games is a very tall order.

I also suggested to her to switch to controller, because clicking is just not a feasable option in this game, but i have no experience with playing the game on controller and dont even know how to set that up properly.
That this game as an overabundance of buttons to keybind is indeed a real problem and the devs seem not to care about that as long as everything somehow fits into the cross menu for their PS5 controller, they unly prune some buttons when it doesnt fit in anymore.
Remember when Gnashing fang combo was 3 instead of one hotkey? now it is one, but Redmage Riposte still remeains 3 buttons.

and you can only manage 15 ? you must have tiny hands ;3, i think i am at ~26 but i also help myself with xiv combo to reduce the bloat

[Mawlzy]

I also suggested to her to switch to controller, because clicking is just not a feasable option in this game, but i have no experience with playing the game on controller and dont even know how to set that up properly.
That this game as an overabundance of buttons to keybind is indeed a real problem and the devs seem not to care about that as long as everything somehow fits into the cross menu for their PS5 controller, they unly prune some buttons when it doesnt fit in anymore.
Remember when Gnashing fang combo was 3 instead of one hotkey? now it is one, but Redmage Riposte still remeains 3 buttons.

and you can only manage 15 ? you must have tiny hands ;3, i think i am at ~26 but i also help myself with xiv combo to reduce the bloat

Ha! I played bass for 35 years, they're quite big but no longer with flexible fingers.

I also type a lot and I just can't find anything with my left hand on the right side of the keyboard.

But yeah, button bloat is a pain and the fact its limit is based on PS5 doesn't help kb/m players.

[Arohk]

Ha! I played bass for 35 years, they're quite big but no longer with flexible fingers.

I also type a lot and I just can't find anything with my left hand on the right side of the keyboard.

But yeah, button bloat is a pain and the fact its limit is based on PS5 doesn't help kb/m players.

If not for controller, the right hardware is also important, if you are not playing with a controller at least get the right mouse.
Especialy for a game with so many abilities like WoW or FFXIV , an MMO mouse like the razer naga is essential.

Razer Naga:

I use this type of Modell for over 15 years now, it is a godsend.

Or any other mmo-mouse that has side buttons also works.
For Final , i use 10 of the 12 side buttons.

[Mawlzy]

If not for controller, the right hardware is also important, if you are not playing with a controller at least get the right mouse.
Especialy for a game with so many abilities like WoW or FFXIV , an MMO mouse like the razer naga is essential.

Razer Naga:

I use this type of Modell for over 15 years now, it is a godsend.

Or any other mmo-mouse that has side buttons also works.
For Final , i use 10 of the 12 side buttons.

Haven't been able to use side buttons since I broke my wrist a few years ago. But I agree, those that can should take advantage of such hardware.

[Valence]

To be honest I know a lot of clickers that do perform as well as the best raiders, and I'm pretty sure there is some in pvp ranked as well. It is however probably that they still do use direction keys on their keyboard to move while clicking their abilities.
Point being, UI is something extremely personal and if clicking is something that clicks with you (pun intended), then it can be perfectly viable as long as you're able to move through another device at the same time. If clicking however is something that you feel is a limiting factor for you, then you should definitely consider switching to keybinds/controller/something else.

[Arohk]

To be honest I know a lot of clickers that do perform as well as the best raiders, and I'm pretty sure there is some in pvp ranked as well. It is however probably that they still do use direction keys on their keyboard to move while clicking their abilities.
Point being, UI is something extremely personal and if clicking is something that clicks with you (pun intended), then it can be perfectly viable as long as you're able to move through another device at the same time. If clicking however is something that you feel is a limiting factor for you, then you should definitely consider switching to keybinds/controller/something else.

You are talking about people that already perfom at a high level, they can tell you they are clickers, but do you really know how they play? There is certainly a difference between clicking some abilities that you don't use that often, or clicking your entire rotation, that must be so exhausting i can't even imagine that.

I highly doubt a high end player clicks all his stuff, they most likey use a mix of some keybinds for their core skills and click the rest like most people do.
I had one guy in my static raid in shadowbringers that clicked most of his stuff, he so often failed at mechanics where he had to move quickly it was very noticable, and when i found out he was clicking, it clicked with me why he made so many mistakes.

Even when it is viable, we are not talking about the top endgame players than can do it, but the low end casuals that struggle with easy & normal stuff because of it.