Yuweyawata Field Station is so wrong

[Mawlzy]

Edit on reading that discord message: it's pretty trite overall and has been there since forever. You can detect the core of the message, or the face beneath the mask if you will, as soon as you read the words "pulling your own weight" or "effort put in the game", and I'm afraid it's tied to a true political divide IRL that goes beyond just this game. It's a matter of core values rather than gaming standards.
Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen

Oh that's a fascinating observation. Unfortunately, the dominant ideology expressed here seems closer to sich am eigenen Schopf aus dem Sumpf ziehen.

[Mawlzy]

That right there. If you want condescending you'll probably get it if you keep talking to people like that. While I do partially agree with some things you've said you are very quickly dismissed otherwise with your sarcastic tones. Normal people don't talk like this. I genuinely cannot even make suggestions because you'll just get mad I guess.

I see. So the tryhards come in here pointing and laughing, claiming that anyone with their eyes open who is awake can clear this "braindead" content, then they summon this mythical WHM that features in so many such discussions. (Once they morphed into a Physick-casting SCH, FYI. Nice to see a little imagination.)

We are then told that players who don't reach some arbitrary gaming standard should quit the game. And all this is perfectly polite and fine?

But I push back against this elitism and you have a problem with the way I talk? Is there a particular word that has caused offense? Is it "damn"? I'm not clear how that would make me abnormal.

Should I pepper my prose with "Lol! Lmao, even!" so it conforms to current standards? Is that how "normal people talk"?

Okay.

"Normal people don't talk like this"!!!

Lol.
Lmao, even.

[Carin-Eri]

I see. So the tryhards come in here pointing and laughing, claiming that anyone with their eyes open who is awake can clear this "braindead" content, then they summon this mythical WHM that features in so many such discussions. (Once they morphed into a Physick-casting SCH, FYI. Nice to see a little imagination.)

We are then told that players who don't reach some arbitrary gaming standard should quit the game. And all this is perfectly polite and fine?

But I push back against this elitism and you have a problem with the way I talk? Is there a particular word that has caused offense? Is it "damn"? I'm not clear how that would make me abnormal.

Should I pepper my prose with "Lol! Lmao, even!" so it conforms to current standards? Is that how "normal people talk"?

Okay.

"Normal people don't talk like this"!!!

Lol.
Lmao, even.

For what it's worth, I tend to agree.

I mean, as I said in my previous post (a few pages ago) - as hard as it is to admit here, I'm really not very good at the game. And the reason it's so difficult to admit is that making said admission on a forum where the general response to anyone who doesn't think the game is a cakewalk is "the game is too easy", "get gud" or "skill issue".

Hell, in terms of what you say about "players who don't reach some arbitrary gaming standard" -

That was a (Discord) message I received from someone I thought was a friend following an instance of I don't remember what. And whilst that was a more elaborate example, it certain wasn't the first - or last - time I received a message of that nature. I'd be lying if I claimed it happens often, but it happens more than 'never'.

[Mawlzy]

For what it's worth, I tend to agree.

I mean, as I said in my previous post (a few pages ago) - as hard as it is to admit here, I'm really not very good at the game. And the reason it's so difficult to admit is that making said admission on a forum where the general response to anyone who doesn't think the game is a cakewalk is "the game is too easy", "get gud" or "skill issue".

Hell, in terms of what you say about "players who don't reach some arbitrary gaming standard" -

That was a (Discord) message I received from someone I thought was a friend following an instance of I don't remember what. And whilst that was a more elaborate example, it certain wasn't the first - or last - time I received a message of that nature. I'd be lying if I claimed it happens often, but it happens more than 'never'.

I'm sorry you had that unloaded on you from someone you felt was a friend. That is horrendous.

We all sit somewhere on the FF14 skill spectrum. Why some on the high-skilled end feel the need to be rude and, in your example, frankly cruel to those less-skilled is baffling.

But I'm pretty sure, Carin, that neither you nor I are "bitter," as Mesarthim suggests.

Just a little bemused.

Unfortunately, the attitudes exhibited in this thread only serve to prevent less-skilled players from sharing their concerns about the game, thereby losing useful input that would help to improve it.

So to all in the brotherhood and sisterhood of the not-very-good-but-trying, I say:

Ridiculum nihil est quod timendum est

Or as Adam Ant sang so beautifully in Prince Charming

Ridicule is nothing to be scared of.

[Arohk]

For what it's worth, I tend to agree.

I mean, as I said in my previous post (a few pages ago) - as hard as it is to admit here, I'm really not very good at the game. And the reason it's so difficult to admit is that making said admission on a forum where the general response to anyone who doesn't think the game is a cakewalk is "the game is too easy", "get gud" or "skill issue".

Hell, in terms of what you say about "players who don't reach some arbitrary gaming standard" -

That was a (Discord) message I received from someone I thought was a friend following an instance of I don't remember what. And whilst that was a more elaborate example, it certain wasn't the first - or last - time I received a message of that nature. I'd be lying if I claimed it happens often, but it happens more than 'never'.

This make me curious about your playstyle, and what your actual problem with the game is. Maybe a general misundestanding of game mechanics?
If you want to improve i could give you advice, but i need to know what you are doing wrong first, also i got nothing better to do in the game right now if you are interested i could call you in discord and coach you a bit, but i am at work, so later in the evening only

[Carin-Eri]

This make me curious about your playstyle, and what your actual problem with the game is. Maybe a general misundestanding of game mechanics?
If you want to improve i could give you advice, but i need to know what you are doing wrong first, also i got nothing better to do in the game right now if you are interested i could call you in discord and coach you a bit.

I'm at work and get very little in-game time to be honest. Will log in briefly at lunchtime, and I get a few hours most evenings where I run roulettes with my in-game partner.

Appreciate the offer though, and would appreciate any help you can offer.

And it's most likely a combination of slow reaction speed, misunderstanding game mechanics, and - to be honest - I'm not great at remembering what I've seen. It's one of the reasons watching/reading guides isn't of much benefit - I don't recall much of what I've seen and can't put what little I do remember into practice.

[Arohk]

I'm at work and get very little in-game time to be honest. Will log in briefly at lunchtime, and I get a few hours most evenings where I run roulettes with my in-game partner.

Appreciate the offer though, and would appreciate any help you can offer.

good to hear that
you can add me on discord (Arohk#9960), i am at work too right now so...we will find some time.

[Arohk]

Appreciate the offer though, and would appreciate any help you can offer.

And it's most likely a combination of slow reaction speed, misunderstanding game mechanics, and - to be honest - I'm not great at remembering what I've seen. It's one of the reasons watching/reading guides isn't of much benefit - I don't recall much of what I've seen and can't put what little I do remember into practice.

Thank you for your time yesterday, it was very insightful and i learned something from it.
I thought about this over night and how to solve your issue, let me try to describe it with an anology, please dont understand this as an insult , because i don't mean it that way.

Watching you play is similar to someone driving a car without a steering wheel, you may get forward but you are bound to crash.
Because you are clicking all your abilities, you distract yourself from what is happening around you, it is impossible to focus on the fight and move around properly when you constantly must focus on your curser and where to click, you also can not click fast enough to use all your potential. I can not imagine someone perform well that way, especialy on APM heavy jobs.

To be frank, this game is NOT ment to be played with mouse only. I thought about a solution of how to fix your problem with keybinds but it requires some work, you need to completly reset your habits of clicking and start over from ground up. Since you still have some unleveled jobs, i Suggest to restart at Level 1 and really try to keybind every new ability you get and refrain from clicking any skills at all as much as possible to get used to it.
Trust me, you will benefit from that on the long run and enjoy the game much more.


Anyhow, i stand by my point that the dungeon difficulty is not the problem, i get the suspicion that most people that struggle like you are playing the game in a very "inconvenient" way and that is why it seems so difficult for them.

[Alice_Rivers]

For what it's worth, I tend to agree.

I mean, as I said in my previous post (a few pages ago) - as hard as it is to admit here, I'm really not very good at the game. And the reason it's so difficult to admit is that making said admission on a forum where the general response to anyone who doesn't think the game is a cakewalk is "the game is too easy", "get gud" or "skill issue".

Hell, in terms of what you say about "players who don't reach some arbitrary gaming standard" -

That was a (Discord) message I received from someone I thought was a friend following an instance of I don't remember what. And whilst that was a more elaborate example, it certain wasn't the first - or last - time I received a message of that nature. I'd be lying if I claimed it happens often, but it happens more than 'never'.

That's completely insane. I know I have strong views and I'm blunt, harsh even at times, but that message is out of order even by my standards. Not to mention going out of their way to look you up to make it worse.

[Sorabaka]

We are then told that players who don't reach some arbitrary gaming standard should quit the game.

You know what? At this point, yes, you should. Let's take Dark Souls for example. If you suck at it so much you can't beat prologue boss, you only have two choices : persevere and eventually learn it well enough to kill it or just delete the game. And it's true for every game, not only for Souls. Every game have some sort of basic level you should reach to play it comfortably. And it doesn't mean that every game should be designed for those who can't reach even that floor level.

I spent 40 hours on my first playthrough of Lies of P. I was frustrated and angry, but still persevered and finished it eventually. Since then i cleared the game a dozen more times and SURPRISE, it suddenly isn't that hard anymore. And if i fail somewhere, it's usually my fault, i'm not getting angry and screaming that the game is shit and unfair.
And before you say that it's stupid to compare souls-like with MMO, no, it's not. Because XIV had the same design philosophy since ARR. If you fail the mechanic, you analyze what happened, formulate potential solution and try again. And at some point any person SHOULD be able to learn how it freaking works.

If you make the game difficulty cater to the lowest possible skill level, everybody gonna hate it. Including the people with lowest possible skill level. Because it will be boring. And your solution will not work, because high-skilled players will run this easy mode too, making the normal one obsolete, unless it will offer more rewards. And SE will never do that, because then you'll complain that this GOD TIER SKILL PLAYERS get more than you. Also the XIV team is already struggling with content, they don't need more workload for something like this.