Yuweyawata Field Station is so wrong

[Arohk]

Have you ever spoken to players who find dungeons hard? I have. They read guides and their tooltips, watch videos, observe cast bars, and pay attention. And they struggle.

Yes i have tried that, but it is really difficult when everyone feels personaly attacked on the slightest mention that they do somethng wrong, also most people are not aware that they are doing things wrong because the game doesn't teach you.

[Mawlzy]

Yes i have tried that, but it is really difficult when everyone feels personaly attacked on the slightest mention that they do somethng wrong, also most people are not aware that they are doing things wrong because the game doesn't teach you.

Strange, I find most people receptive to suggestions of how they might improve. Maybe you should avoid telling them to quit watching Netflix.

But we do agree on one thing. The game is lousy at explaining to players how to play their job well.

[Carin-Eri]

Have you ever spoken to players who find dungeons hard? I have. They read guides and their tooltips, watch videos, observe cast bars, and pay attention. And they struggle.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, because I was wary of posting in this thread - I'm all too aware of how disapproving some forumites can be toward the sort of player you describe.

But... you just described me.

I mean, at my best I'm on the low-end of mediocre at the game and tend to 'scrape through' the more difficult content. I've tried Ex/Savage content and found that I was a burden to the team I was with and, both due to having enough insight to realise I wasn't suited for it and on advice from another player, decided to stick to Normal content.

Even so, I'll confess I struggle like hell with Jeuno: The First Walk any time my friends want to play it. And I daresay, if the currently difficulty curve continues, I'll struggle with the 7.2 content too.

And it's not as if I don't try - whilst I'm told that some of it may be down to poor ping (from my perspective I'm outside an AOE but get hit anyway) it does seem as if my reaction speed is lacking and, try as I might, I don't seem able to improve on it.

[Mawlzy]

I'm going to go out on a limb here, because I was wary of posting in this thread - I'm all too aware of how disapproving some forumites can be toward the sort of player you describe.

But... you just described me.

I mean, at my best I'm on the low-end of mediocre at the game and tend to 'scrape through' the more difficult content. I've tried Ex/Savage content and found that I was a burden to the team I was with and, both due to having enough insight to realise I wasn't suited for it and on advice from another player, decided to stick to Normal content.

Even so, I'll confess I struggle like hell with Jeuno: The First Walk any time my friends want to play it. And I daresay, if the currently difficulty curve continues, I'll struggle with the 7.2 content too.

And it's not as if I don't try - whilst I'm told that some of it may be down to poor ping (from my perspective I'm outside an AOE but get hit anyway) it does seem as if my reaction speed is lacking and, try as I might, I don't seem able to improve on it.

Don't tell a soul, Carin, but on NA/EU players like you and me are in the majority. Unlike us, however, most have the sense not to wade into these forums.

Oh and in before "anticipating snapshotting on high ping is easy, stop watching Netflix."

Solidarity and gl/hf.

[Arohk]

And it's not as if I don't try - whilst I'm told that some of it may be down to poor ping (from my perspective I'm outside an AOE but get hit anyway) it does seem as if my reaction speed is lacking and, try as I might, I don't seem able to improve on it.

That is (mostly) not a ping issue, the game uses snapshot mechanics, that means when you are inside an AOE when the boss finished casting you are hit, not matter where you run afterwards, and because some animations takes 1-2 seconds before you take damage it APPEARS that you get hit outside of an AOE, you simply ran out too late.

But that also means that you can run into AOES the moment they resolved, you dont need to wait for the animation to happen.

[Sorabaka]

Your ability to be both insulting and wrong within a single, badly-punctuated declarative sentence is phenomenal.

Have you ever spoken to players who find dungeons hard? I have. They read guides and their tooltips, watch videos, observe cast bars, and pay attention. And they struggle.

I used to play a game for a living. Literally my only source of income. I was much better at it than most people who played. At no point did I assume that those less skilled than me were stupid or lazy.

Excuse me, but if you need a guide for a dungeon at lvl 100, then you've been doing something very very wrong for the past 400 hours you spent reaching that point.

I'm playing since ARR, and i've been very very casual until Shadowbringers. And even then i still put some effort into doing content past dungeons and alliance raid. Was it difficult for me? Yes, it was. Was i complaining because it's difficult? No. Because if you have time to complain, you better spend it on learning the damn fight.

No mechanic in dungeons is difficult in this game. You also have literally zero consequences for fucking up the mechanic except dying. And even then most mechanics in dungeon don't kill you and you can eat 3 or 4 of them until you die.

Also if you are struggling with dungeon-level mechanics after watching guides, tooltips and paying attention to cast bars, then i'm sorry, but you're just outright stupid, or you didn't even try to understand and learn in the first place.

I'll ask you for who knows which time in this thread : what damn difficulty do you want for this game? Do you want to face tank everything and press one button to win? Then there's no point in even making the damn battle content.

Also it's always western players who complain, always. The biggest problems JP complain about are minor UI issues and skill animations they don't like. You know why? Because they actually play the damn game. And you can say all you want about "nolifers" or anything, but everybody knows JP work culture, they have almost no time to play. And they still clear more content than any western DC. While having less players, btw.

The current dungeon difficulty is great. It doesn't need to be harder, but also SE shouldn't make them easier. Alliance Raids i'd personally prefer to be just a little bit more difficult.

[Carin-Eri]

Excuse me, but if you need a guide for a dungeon at lvl 100, then you've been doing something very very wrong for the past 400 hours you spent reaching that point.

I'm playing since ARR, and i've been very very casual until Shadowbringers. And even then i still put some effort into doing content past dungeons and alliance raid. Was it difficult for me? Yes, it was. Was i complaining because it's difficult? No. Because if you have time to complain, you better spend it on learning the damn fight.

No mechanic in dungeons is difficult in this game. You also have literally zero consequences for fucking up the mechanic except dying. And even then most mechanics in dungeon don't kill you and you can eat 3 or 4 of them until you die.

Also if you are struggling with dungeon-level mechanics after watching guides, tooltips and paying attention to cast bars, then i'm sorry, but you're just outright stupid, or you didn't even try to understand and learn in the first place.

I'll ask you for who knows which time in this thread : what damn difficulty do you want for this game? Do you want to face tank everything and press one button to win? Then there's no point in even making the damn battle content.

Also it's always western players who complain, always. The biggest problems JP complain about are minor UI issues and skill animations they don't like. You know why? Because they actually play the damn game. And you can say all you want about "nolifers" or anything, but everybody knows JP work culture, they have almost no time to play. And they still clear more content than any western DC. While having less players, btw.

The current dungeon difficulty is great. It doesn't need to be harder, but also SE shouldn't make them easier. Alliance Raids i'd personally prefer to be just a little bit more difficult.

I get the distinct impression that you didn't read most of this thread and instead focused on the one post you replied to.

[Mawlzy]

Also if you are struggling with dungeon-level mechanics after watching guides, tooltips and paying attention to cast bars, then i'm sorry, but you're just outright stupid, or you didn't even try to understand and learn in the first place.

Thank you for your input. This is extremely helpful. I am still a little confused because I have a PhD in theoretical cosmology and always assumed I was not stupid. You have given me much the think about.

[Deifact]

I consider myself to be a mediocre player, I don't really play difficult content. My only advice really is just to practice. I think everyone has one or two mechanics they struggle with!

It took me a long time to be able to do the six half-room cleaves in The Gilded Araya trial for example, until I practiced it enough I understood how it worked.

If you can enter a dungeon or trial with NPC's you can practice as much as you want, and usually lots of fights use the same mechanics, so once you get it down you'll find it easier if it comes up again in future. Also my performance is garbage if I'm tired, so try coming back to try something again after some rest.

[Arohk]

It took me a long time to be able to do the six half-room cleaves in The Gilded Araya trial for example, until I practiced it enough I understood how it worked.

you just dodge left/right/left/right behind her and ignore the frontal cleave, no thinking required.