Quick Question about the new field operations?

[Gurgeh]

Quick Question about the new field operations?
I just realised... they were always associated with relics and, that still meant 2 hit grinding fates in parties of 30, and queuing ARR alliances.

• That's going to end up mandatory again sn't it?

I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.

(You can already tell from my question I'm probably not doing that anymore. I already did a couple non-scaling 2 hit hunt farms and that was enough. Not without connections in game anymore. I'll try but... there is a lot of the same-old that is all I've been feeding and recently I can't bear it. Especially not as I'm not even interested in the relic now I'm not invested in my character and I only sub temporarily. Decide for yourselves if this is something that is going to apply to any other prospective returners. I'm just trying to (re)calibrate my likely intentions early.)

[AllenThyl]

mandatory

You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.

Also, the patch hasn't dropped, why are you already back and fussing about unreleased content already?

[CVXIV]

Yes, given what's been done in the past, it's likely that the relic will, in some way, be tied into the new field operation which is a massive improvement already from the endwalker relics
and based on what we've seen with Bozja, it might not fully be tied into it either, so you might not need to commit to the field operation if that's not something you personally enjoy

All we can really do is wait and see
It genuinely seems like you're bored of the game and don't want to engage with any of the new content that's to be released, while simultaneously not enjoying what's already present

I really don't know what the developers can do to appease you, when iirc you yourself have said you wanted Eureka to be extreme level content
when a majority of complaints that I've seen are the lack of anything for casual players to do

Whether people enjoy it or not, the game's overworld content has, for the most part, been fate farming
You do it for the ARR relic, you do it for the HW relic, you do it for the SB relic, you do it for the ShB relic
That's obviously outside of any of the dungeons you had to do, or instances like CLL and DR

The only one that didn't require any of that was Endwalker, which, from what I've see, was mostly disliked

That isn't to say that it's good, and I'd say field operations are probably some of my favorite things to do in this game, but that it's more or less the same as we've had for a very long time now. I do think it'd be cool if they were to expand it more, and add more world bosses and other events, but the ones we have now typically die very quickly to hunt trains so that'd need to be reworked. I also wasn't around for it, but the defense aspect I've seen talked about, where certain villages could be attacked and you had to defend, seems cool. Branching paths for fates would also be a boon, I'd wager

[Nero-Voidstails]

they will probably link it yes but they will also give a none field way to do them

[CVXIV]

they will probably link it yes but they will also give a none field way to do them

Most likely yeah
Even Bozja you could do fate farming in certain zones to get the memories you needed, but at a less likely rate than if you just did the southern front
I only hope they take a look at some of the steps and not make the same mistakes you can see with Bozja, because some of the steps require you to do the field operation up to a certain point which I think is clearing CLL

then there's the issue with DR and not too many people running it anymore

[Daralii]

Relics have been worse than tomestone weapons up until the final patch of the expansion for around a decade, and CS3 only breaks trends when it lets them do less. They'll be "mandatory" for doing 7.X ultimates after 7.X and that's it.

[Valence]

Imagine if we didn't have to gouge our eyes out in tedious fate farming before being allowed to access the actually interesting content (CLL, Dalriada, etc).

[Jeeqbit]

Quick Question about the new field operations?
I just realised... they were always associated with relics and, that still meant 2 hit grinding fates in parties of 30, and queuing ARR alliances.

That has depended heavily on the expansion:

• ARR and Heavensward involved FATEs. I don't think I recall alliance raids?
• Stormblood did not involve FATEs or alliance raids, since it was all in Eureka (but technically, NMs use the same code as FATEs).
• Shadowbringers had a one-off FATE grind, I recall. The unlock quest for it required the Ivalice alliance raids to have been done. The rest could be done entirely within Bozja and Zadnor. But that involved Skirmishes, which are basically FATEs. You could do Alliance Raids as an alternative though, which most people preferred because, for reasons I do not understand, those players enjoyed Crystal Tower.
• Endwalker did not require any FATEs.

I already did a couple non-scaling 2 hit hunt farms and that was enough.

Hunts are not the same as FATEs. There is a level sync on FATEs. There is not, however, an item level sync, which means that the FATEs in the final areas will sync to the max item level of that expansion, causing them to melt. Blue Mages can sometimes melt them as well, although this is regarded a griefing by most reasonable players when a lot of people are farming them.

If people are griefing you can just travel to another world or data center anyway, or wait until the hype dies down after a few days or weeks.

To answer your question, they intend to give you the option to progress the relic either within the relic area or by doing old content, from my understanding. They will most likely try something similar to the Shadowbringers model, hopefully with lessons learned (my hope is it will be more efficient to do it within the relic area).

[Gurgeh]

Yes, given what's been done in the past, it's likely that the relic will, in some way, be tied into the new field operation which is a massive improvement already from the endwalker relics
and based on what we've seen with Bozja, it might not fully you wanted Eureka to be extreme level content
when a majority of complaints that I've seen are the lack of anything for casual players to do

long time now. I do think it'd be cool if they were to expand it more, and add more world bosses and other events, but the ones we have now typically die very quickly to hunt trains so that'd need to be reworked. I also wasn't around for it, but the defense aspect I've seen talked about, where certain villages could be attacked and you had to defend, seems cool. Branching paths for fates would also be a boon, I'd wager

I haven't read all this but frankly I agree with the what can they do. This is starting to feel a lot like grudge. I can't pretend it's not a chip on my shoulder.
I just don't want to imagine it's A, when A is unrealistic then then be even more fed up when I know I can't get a refund on my sub. I agree. I'm trying to keep an open mind.
But am I?
I didn't look like that to me either.
I'm trying to avoid disappointment.

Back when I had loads of people I knew this would have been fun.
But now I'm back in struggling to rebuild that as... Everyone is doing Savage, or got other goals... limited and built around the next savage.
Even if I try savage it won't be with them they've got their statics and I couldn't commit anyway.
And I tried M1 and maybe it's just because I felt behind the curve, but.. I'm not sure I just don't enjoy the style of high end fights. I'm not a fan of following the patterns I can't work out or just following other people. I disliked Ex's unity I find it I could blind it. That's not going to wash in savage PF.
And there casual stuff they do do , I'm bored of it, and again the reasons and the rest is fine is not the same.
I've been an asshole about high end players that is just stupidly prejudiced. When it's just some that have been deliberately sociopathic in their "be like me get good or F off and unsub" attitude.
I've got a lot of time for the high end trolls. They are just trolls.
Well some time.
The ones that mean it, and many do, they',ve not been saying it just to me.

Oh I should add in trying to PF prog Chaotic. So you can't imagine how much time I have to make friends and join in with other stuff. The FC ran screaming from trying to organise anything to do with that. But my patience for joining what other people do ec want to do is exhausted. I enjoy helping. But I'm no 'help' to a bunch of savage raiders.

Oh and watching YouTubers didn't help. It's mostly just the ultimate raiders now, and again they don't display much empathy. Condescending and arrogant seems to be a requirement to upload.
Some of the attitude towards mentor roulette is mind boggling.
If if seen seen some of those vids when I first came to Expert roul as a shock, and I was trying to help others too... I'm really not sure if I'd have been able to keep going back.

Cider Spider is cool though! Making a game of it and having fun. A passing option no more. Observational/situational humour, no more.

[CVXIV]

I haven't read all this but frankly I agree with the what can they do. This is starting to feel a lot like grudge. I can't pretend it's not a chip on my shoulder.
I just don't want to imagine it's A, when A is unrealistic then then be even more fed up when I know I can't get a refund on my sub. I agree. I'm trying to keep an open mind.
But am I?
I didn't look like that to me either.
I'm trying to avoid disappointment.

Back when I had loads of people I knew this would have been fun.
But now I'm back in struggling to rebuild that as... Everyone is doing Savage, or got other goals... limited and built around the next savage.
Even if I try savage it won't be with them they've got their statics and I couldn't commit anyway.
And I tried M1 and maybe it's just because I felt behind the curve, but.. I'm not sure I just don't enjoy the style of high end fights. I'm not a fan of following the patterns I can't work out or just following other people. I disliked Ex's unity I find it I could blind it. That's not going to wash in savage PF.
And there casual stuff they do do , I'm bored of it, and again the reasons and the rest is fine is not the same.
I've been an asshole about high end players that is just stupidly prejudiced. When it's just some that have been deliberately sociopathic in their "be like me get good or F off and unsub" attitude.
I've got a lot of time for the high end trolls. They are just trolls.
Well some time.
The ones that mean it, and many do, they',ve not been saying it just to me.

Oh I should add in trying to PF prog Chaotic. So you can't imagine how much time I have to make friends and join in with other stuff. The FC ran screaming from trying to organise anything to do with that. But my patience for joining what other people do ec want to do is exhausted. I enjoy helping. But I'm no 'help' to a bunch of savage raiders.

Oh and watching YouTubers didn't help. It's mostly just the ultimate raiders now, and again they don't display much empathy. Condescending and arrogant seems to be a requirement to upload.
Some of the attitude towards mentor roulette is mind boggling.
If if seen seen some of those vids when I first came to Expert roul as a shock, and I was trying to help others too... I'm really not sure if I'd have been able to keep going back.

Cider Spider is cool though! Making a game of it and having fun. A passing option no more. Observational/situational humour, no more.

Things are a lot more fun once you stop caring what other people think. The constant negativity will only bring you down and suck your enjoyment out of it

Once the new field operation drops, there will likely be plenty of people you can meet and do that content with should you so desire
All it takes is a little bit of effort, and in a lot of scenarios you'll be picked up just by showing up to the boss fate so people can boost their numbers, if you don't outright ask to join, that is

as for struggling with any patterns
It really just takes practice and that's all there is to it
The way fights play out are very mechanical, and always play the exact same way
So if you want to improve you just need to run the fight enough times and you'll know what the boss is doing before it even does it
I know some people dislike it, and I do agree it would be fun to have a degree of randomness to a boss's attack patterns, but as things stand now that's how you get better at the game

Not a whole lot of people will care if you die, and those who do you can just ignore if they're being jerks about it

To give an example I'll use E12N
The boss always starts with lightning and water, then alternates roughly 4 times before switching to fire and wind
After that comes the transition phase, then after that the fight continues as normal
The boss will stock fire, lightning, wind, and water and the combinations will be somewhat random, but the way you dodge it is always the same, so you can see where to go once you see the color of the tethers
After a bit of that the boss then uses ice or earth which are always raid wides and have their own mechanics to resolve for them specifically

That's just a very rough idea off the top of my head, but you'll see as you do them more and more the fights are more scripted than you'd realize
the only major factor that changes how things go is whether your team knows them or not and if they survive