FRU has been cleared without Tanks!

[Mikey_R]

So your argument here still basically boils down to “the titan egi clear is meaningful exclusion of tanks because ex is done through PF and PF has the ability to willfully choose to exclude classes while healerless casual content isn’t meaningful exclusion of healers because most casual content is done through DF and DF enforces a healer onto the party even if they aren’t needed and feel like a waste of space and because of this enforced DF the amount of people who actually organise healerless clears will never be a meaningful amount even though it would actually be easier if the system allowed it”

Nope, missed the point. Titan literally gets rid of failure points with almost no downsides. This causes parties to take the easier, less risky route. Since EU/NA extremes are mostly done through PF, this causes parties to exclude tanks in favour of the easier, less risky strat.

If excluding a healer from dungeons was the easier, less risky strat, you would see more PFs popping up with dungeon runs that exclude a healer. You don't though. Now, groups of friends might form a light party and queue that way, but that also doesn't necessarily mean there is an imbalance. The fact that having a healer is not riskier/harder, you don't lose anything having one, infact, it is safer. So there tends to be no problems with running through DF.

If you cannot see the difference in the 2 situations, you need to take a more nuanced look at the different scenarios and the differences surrounding them, especially when this whole thing is about jobs getting excluded based on the environment, speaking of:

Do you not see how that’s the same thing except one is poorly hidden by the flawed system enforcing it? Would you have liked to be on JP and do ramuh ex in DF and have your DPS go “stay in DPS stance and don’t use agro moves titan is tanking” when you queued in as a tank? Because that’s exactly what healers deal with now

I would have predicted that, if the titan Egi strat was so good, Japan might have had their first EX fight farmed through the PF rather than the DF, or at least leaned more heavily in that direction. This is obviously speculation, but I do think that shift would have happened.

I am actually amazed how you can compartmentalize both problems so much that in dungeons suddenly everything can happen, but in ex ramuh, it's suddenly so easy that "you just have to heal titan egi". I mean, in the majority of dungeons, the tank just has to press buttons as well. It's tomato and tomato. No wonder you saw them as two completely different problems...

Having a healer isn't a detriment like having tanks in Ramuh EX would have been. If you want a simple comparison, it is that right there.