The slow decline of FFXIV, a summary.

[TemporalFruitsAndVeggies]

Here’s a question for you because I don’t fully disagree with your point that “the said a lot of things but didn’t necessarily back up her points”

What evidence could she have provided? This game doesn’t share player numbers publicly and we only have fragmented data. She can point to what has changed and what most listening posts are unhappy about but ultimately we don’t know if these changes are or aren’t popular because again it’s squares data

What could Lucy have reasonably done differently that would have made you support her point more?

I don't NOT support any of her points; again, I agree with basically all of them. I really just think "The Tragic and Totally Preventable Decline of FFXIV" is a bad title/thesis, because that's not what the video is about. The video is just "My (and Everyone Else's) Current Frustrations with FFXIV." I'm not sure there IS evidence she could've provided.

It's really hard to make a compelling argument in support of "FFXIV is in decline." I would not be surprised to learn that it is, but that's also purely vibes-based: as you said, we just don't have clear enough data over a long enough period of time to make that case definitively. And of course two weeks before one of the longest content droughts in the game's history ends is going to feel extra decline-y.

[Hallarem]

I don't NOT support any of her points; again, I agree with basically all of them. I really just think "The Tragic and Totally Preventable Decline of FFXIV" is a bad title/thesis, because that's not what the video is about. The video is just "My (and Everyone Else's) Current Frustrations with FFXIV." I'm not sure there IS evidence she could've provided.

It's really hard to make a compelling argument in support of "FFXIV is in decline." I would not be surprised to learn that it is, but that's also purely vibes-based: as you said, we just don't have clear enough data over a long enough period of time to make that case definitively. And of course two weeks before one of the longest content droughts in the game's history ends is going to feel extra decline-y.

The only clear data the white knights (The types who are actually unhinged and push back against EVERY criticism, the reallly militant types) of this game will ever accept is when the game actually shuts down. It's always going to be "Well, it still has 200 players, at least the login ques are gone" or something equally ludicrous. "At least the devs can relax now and not rush and overstress themselves"

[Kes13a]

the irony of it all is the devs themselves outlined the exact thing happening right now 10 years ago

its amazing that they seem to have completely forgotten this was a presentation. almost as if... it wasnt a real presentation in the first place. I mean, I know that it was, but looking back at that, and how things are now, its like it was simply lip service to players to give 14 a second chance.

I am sure the current developers dont know this exists, and Yoshi has forgotten all about it.

[Supersnow845]

I don't NOT support any of her points; again, I agree with basically all of them. I really just think "The Tragic and Totally Preventable Decline of FFXIV" is a bad title/thesis, because that's not what the video is about. The video is just "My (and Everyone Else's) Current Frustrations with FFXIV." I'm not sure there IS evidence she could've provided.

It's really hard to make a compelling argument in support of "FFXIV is in decline." I would not be surprised to learn that it is, but that's also purely vibes-based: as you said, we just don't have clear enough data over a long enough period of time to make that case definitively. And of course two weeks before one of the longest content droughts in the game's history ends is going to feel extra decline-y.

So since square doesn’t release any data isn’t that a circular argument? You can’t come up with any evidence 14 is in decline because square never gives any data so how can we know it’s also not in decline

Like if it’s well known it can’t be proven why is claiming it is based on your own dissatisfaction any better or worse than claiming it’s good based on your own experience

[NaoSen]

I don't NOT support any of her points; again, I agree with basically all of them. I really just think "The Tragic and Totally Preventable Decline of FFXIV" is a bad title/thesis, because that's not what the video is about. The video is just "My (and Everyone Else's) Current Frustrations with FFXIV." I'm not sure there IS evidence she could've provided.

It's really hard to make a compelling argument in support of "FFXIV is in decline." I would not be surprised to learn that it is, but that's also purely vibes-based: as you said, we just don't have clear enough data over a long enough period of time to make that case definitively. And of course two weeks before one of the longest content droughts in the game's history ends is going to feel extra decline-y.

The videos literally a summary of incredibly popular grievances on the forums and reddit for the past few years that SE has done nothing about.
Decline doesn't have to just mean player numbers but the quality of the game itself, SE is never going to go and say "We lost this many subscribers and our game quality is going down".

All the points are things that cause a decline in quality of a game, how can you agree with them but not support a decline of some kind ?

[TemporalFruitsAndVeggies]

So since square doesn’t release any data isn’t that a circular argument? You can’t come up with any evidence 14 is in decline because square never gives any data so how can we know it’s also not in decline

Like if it’s well known it can’t be proven why is claiming it is based on your own dissatisfaction any better or worse than claiming it’s good based on your own experience

It's possible we're having a semantics disagreement, or I'm just having a semantics misunderstanding re: the video, or both. I'm interpreting "The Decline of FFXIV" as a claim that the game is "in decline," meaning that the game has entered or has been in a long-term downward trend in player count, earnings, and (likely) developer resources.

If she just means "I believe the quality of the game is declining," then, yeah, fine, totally acceptable argument to make, but also not quite the same claim.

[Gunz_Zbestest]

Gotta love that I now have a personal reply guy

That's not the flex you think it is lol. *uses zero critical thinking skills or introspection* all while alt spamming mundane thoughts on the forum all day.

[AllenThyl]

Gotta love that I now have a personal reply guy

I mean, that is why you are here, for the attention, no? That's why all your takes and threads are nothing but dumb engagement bait. But don't worry big boi, I have heard your cries for help, and will happily oblige. After all:

I don't play this game

That was you on Feb 13th, pretty much 3 weeks ago. And in that time frame you have made 157 posts on this forum, or around 7.5 posts per day. Seems pretty emotionally attached to me. And since you can't post in this forum without having a subscription, that means you have been basically paying SE for their "garbage" game without even making use of the services you pay for (and you have bought the expansions as well). So yes, you are indeed the best customer that SE could wish for, since you only cost a simple webserver.

You mean hopelessly brainwashed?

Whereas you of course are the shining beacon of what a reasonably adjusted adult would do, carrying and presenting their hateboner for a computer game all day long

I mean, I understand, the economy isn't going well and demand for clown services is at an all time low, but surely there is something more productive you can do with your life, like cutting grass with some safety scissors or something.

It's really, really funny how the "doomers" mostly shit on the game/company, but the white knights mostly shit on people.

lol
lmao even

Let's look at you being a shining beacon of discourse etiquette when pressed to clarify how the Nael phase was "truly random" (your own statement):

Look you've never done an Ultimate on patch and haven't gotten any pinks so I'm not really interested in explaining everything just for you.

Yeah I mean it's pointless to explain anything if you're not at the level to get it. It's like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a frog.

Such dignity, much humanity, top social skill, 10/10, would post to linkedinlunatics again.

This is in itself very revealing: one group of people are thinking about game mechanics and understanding the company's behavior. The other group treats it as a tribal war.

Tell us again, great clown-senpai hiding behind an alt, how the Nael phase is "truly random"
Your "thinking" about game mechanics has the same quality as all the "doing my own research" clowns we've had to endure since the rise of social media. Further, if you've been here for so long, while the game goes in a direction you didn't like for so long, yet you buy every single expansion, pay for subscription, possibly even multiple times (whenever your previous account gets banned for trolling), then you are nothing but ... what's it you called it ... oh right, "hopelessly brainwashed"

[MicahZerrshia]

Yikes that is a hard watch when you are cringing the entire time just from the awful chibi sprite and the fake lil girl voice. I barely made it past the intro. Just yikes.

[Arohk]

Yikes that is a hard watch when you are cringing the entire time just from the awful chibi sprite and the fake lil girl voice. I barely made it past the intro. Just yikes.

Vtubers aren't for everyone, i get you :3