FF 14 has the worst dungeons

[Miguel85NYC]

I played quite a few mmos but FF 14 is king for having the most boring dungeons I ever played. FF 14 dungeons are exactly the same from one another. Trash mobs are pointless, you have invisible walls so you can't pull more then 2 packs of mobs.. is it so hard to make dungeons unique?

I don't understand why YoshyP is fine with this.. I refuse to farm these boring dungeons for tomes.

[ovIm]

It wasn't always like this. Dungeons used to be a tad more exciting in what they asked players to do. But that had to be pushed away for a more "streamlined" experience (read - playable by bots so duty support works).

I don't understand why YoshyP is fine with this..

Neither am I. considering he himself claims he feels like falling asleep during dungeons.

[Turnintino]

It wasn't always like this. Dungeons used to be a tad more exciting in what they asked players to do. But that had to be pushed away for a more "streamlined" experience (read - playable by bots so duty support works).

Wouldn't say it's a Duty Support issue, at least not strictly. Modern design is mostly in response to how players themselves actually run dungeons -- always choosing the most efficient way, ignoring all other paths, even when incentivized by loot (granted, loot has diminishing returns the older the content is). And the jankier, more experimental mechanics we used to see in ARR were both unpopular and also didn't end up being particularly educational, since most were never used again.

Now, the devs didn't have to cave to that mentality, granted, but here we are.

[Valence]

Neither am I. considering he himself claims he feels like falling asleep during dungeons.

His official answer was that dungeon formula isn't going to change because of production and speed requirement. Fordism at its finest.

[ovIm]

His official answer was that dungeon formula isn't going to change because of production and speed requirement. Fordism at its finest.

Well, Yoshi-PR speaks a lot when the day is long. Why are production and speed set the way they are? Is it truly because they are actually unable to do something different, or is it because the team does not have the resources (manpower and budget) so they have to hold onto this fordism to deliver? His words literally hold less and less meaning, he either withholds information or straight up lies to our faces (how often were things we now have in the game "impossible"?), all to pacify the player base and reduce expectations so we don't have demands.

[Oizen]

It wasn't always like this. Dungeons used to be a tad more exciting in what they asked players to do. But that had to be pushed away for a more "streamlined" experience (read - playable by bots so duty support works).




Neither am I. considering he himself claims he feels like falling asleep during dungeons.

I find this to be the smoking gun that he does not give a shit about this game anymore.

[Fatch38]

variant should be the way to do dungeons, but as you said : tomes exist which defeat any replay value and makes gearing boring

[Derio]

It is sad, especially when most casual players use dungeons to get their weekly tomes. I stopped doing that back in EW because the design was so bad and while DT has improved dungeons in terms of mechanics, it is still roughly the same to where you are better off jumping on a hunt train 1 day of the week and capping out with that and a few trial roulettes.

[Connor]

The community: They’re not supposed to be fun or challenging they’re supposed to fast and braindead!

[Nero-Voidstails]

The community: They’re not supposed to be fun or challenging they’re supposed to fast and braindead!

pretty much