Do you still think FFXIV should be Monthly Sub Model ?

[Clockworks]

I did?

Okay - please point me in the direction of the £300 bundle that includes pay-to-win items such as weapons that can't be obtained any other way and are better than anything obtained by simply playing?
Please show me where I may purchase some FFXIV gambleboxes containing pay-to-win items such as weapons that can't be obtained any other way and are better than anything obtained by simply playing?
Please link me to the expansion (or patch) that contained literally ONE new piece of story content and nothing else?

There literally are gacha items on the SE store, you can buy some merch that costs (IIRC) 60€+ and is a RANDOM item out of 10 of them that are available.

Also the game is riddled with RMT and carries because content in this game has absolutely 0 value, in a game like WoW carries are over a thousand for one mythic full clear, in FFXIV, we are at 0.5% of that amount, if even that, because the content is just this mediocre.

Also let me laugh about the story argument, we literally just got a camera patch (funnily enough same as WoW when it was at its worst...), the rest of the content was done in less than a week IF you are slow to do it.

FYI, someone calculated how much is on the mog station once and it was valued at about 4350€ if I remember correctly, so yeah. You dont need a weapon to be absolutely OP and only from the shop for the game to show what you're talking about, and the only reason that doesnt happen is because stats have absolutely 0 meaning in this game, the upgrade in stats from a lower ilevel piece and a higher ilevel piece is down in the 0.01%'s.

As the previous poster said though, you literally described our content cycle and said "yeah that game is terrible" talking about another game, but you didnt look at the one we're playing, because that's quite literally what FFXIV is, 4 to 5 months long content cycle with less and less over time, that barely last a day (or a week if you're slow and have a very busy schedule)

[Jeeqbit]

They can get out all the content they want, if everything they put out that you call "new" (it isnt) is bad, then no one will do that content, quality > quantity.

Ok, I am confused what you mean since I didn't use the word new. Do you mean that, from your point of view, they have always done Chaotic raids, they did a Field Operation in Endwalker, a Deep Dungeon in Shadowbringers, Variant/Criterion in Stormblood and Ultimates in Heavensward? (they didn't do any of this, we just have more content types overall now which is the point I was making)

I agree that it is a problem if it's not of a good quality, but I would like to know who is even saying it's not good quality. Do you believe the Chaotic raid is not a good quality? It received a lot of praise tbh. The aesthetic and visuals are always great in the dungeons and trials. etc.

You pretty much described FFXIV at this point

Kinda true on the story but that's really only the case if all you do is story.

We are getting hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of euros/dollars of FFXIV related merch and collabs

In F2P games, that merch and collabs becomes game features and content and progression, where you literally can't progress or play the game really without buying stuff. In FFXIV, you really don't need to buy any boosts or skips or mounts or anything. So there is a huge difference.

[Clockworks]

og post.

I agree that it is a problem if it's not of a good quality, but I would like to know who is even saying it's not good quality. Do you believe the Chaotic raid is not a good quality? It received a lot of praise tbh. The aesthetic and visuals are always great in the dungeons and trials. etc.

It mostly is mediocre because it basically barely has any longevity and will eventually die down entirely, and the one hairstyle that's from it will become more and more rare as time goes on (and probably go up in price), aside from the hairstyle, it basically provides absolutely nothing. Also I didnt like the fact it needed such a big group when the game punishes you for trying to teach other players what they should and should not do, and for trying to make people do better, but thats just me.

Regarding the rest, it also just lacked proper reward structure which made the longevity non existent.

In F2P games, that merch and collabs becomes game features and content and progression, where you literally can't progress or play the game really without buying stuff. In FFXIV, you really don't need to buy any boosts or skips or mounts or anything. So there is a huge difference.

The items that are the most sold on the cash shop are literally the boosts to the expansion before the current one, every single expansion, because a lot of people cant fathorn to go through over 100 hours of MSQ, which is mostly painful, i'd say that's pretty much a big encouragement to buy boosts and skips but that's just me, the length of the MSQ by itself is just encouraging people to boost.

[NaoSen]

The more I looked into what SE has done for its player base over the years the less I feel they deserve a sub, I believe a MMORPG should have a sub but I don't feel SE are doing anything at all to deserve it.

• Get told they want us to play other games yet have housing demolition.
• Keep systems broken that players beg for years to be fixed / improved
• Don't add quality of life.
• Keep their content release cycle regardless of how player base feels about it.
• Do nothing to prevent rampant cheating and botting.

No-one ever asks this directly of them in a media event because they get one question and/or would never get invited again if they asked them a controversial question.

CB3 Need to turn to Blizzard once more because at the moment World of Warcraft is so full of QOL and systems that FF players have been begging for its insane. Right now FF is in the Shadowlands days of WOW.

Do yourself a favor, cancel your sub (you can always change it) but see how you feel when you see the email pop up in your inbox with subject.
"[Square Enix Account] FFXIV Notification: Subscription Canceled"

It's easy to unsubscribe when you realise the company you paying doesn't even pretend to care about you but just treats you like a child "Here's a new toy, run along now"

[OliverQ]

I just wish the standard sub had more purpose. Does anyone even have the standard sub? I've never seen anyone need 40 characters.

[Derio]

All patches would transition to paid DLCs and they would probably switch to a horizontal progression model which would kill the game fast.

[Clockworks]

All patches would transition to paid DLCs and they would probably switch to a horizontal progression model which would kill the game fast.

You mean like FFXIV does ?

We obviously pay for expansions (and the sub, for absolutely no content at all aside from content that lasts less than a week once every 4.5 to 5 months) and dont get any sort of power difference at all through the expansion aside from minuscules 0.01% to 0.05% increases.

Also the game is already in a steep dive as it is, we are far under a million players at this point.

ah and dont forget, new classes would be in the store too, its not the first game where classes are something you need to buy

They already are, its called expansions, you buy them to unlock the jobs. This is literally already a thing. Now if you could unlock the classes without the expansions, I'd agree with you.

[AvoSturmfaust]

ah and dont forget, new classes would be in the store too, its not the first game where classes are something you need to buy

[Espon]

Free to play games ultimately end up costing you more money than a sub would if you want to have a good time. Sure, you could play for free, but things you currently take for granted are now locked behind cash walls and you're now paying to not be inconvenienced.

Now, whether YOU feel SE deserves your money on the sub is up to you. The game definitely seems to be lacking in certain areas with DT and the patch formula needs to be shaken up, so many players have decided it is no longer worth their time and money to invest in something they no longer enjoy. But for me who is still playing, I rather not see the game go F2P as I have played MMOs that have done so in the past and the general experience just becomes awful unless you're willing to fork over far more than a subscription.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I prefer the sub model.

I know people think FFXIV's optional item store is bad, but it's nothing compared to how actual FTP games are monetized.

A person's individual decision as to whether a sub is worth it or not is just that- a personal choice. Go ahead and unsub if you aren't getting the value you want out of it.

Wanting access instead for free I suppose is understandable, but not everyone is going to agree with you.