Do you still think FFXIV should be Monthly Sub Model ?

[ZephyrMenodora]

People keep bringing other games constantly, it's always "But WoW does it worse !", "but X game does it worse !!"

Funnily enough, now that someone uses that argument agaisnt FFXIV, now it's bad and they're desperate for people to play with ?

Nice double standards

Lost Ark, a relatively new game, already chased away 99% of it's playerbase. People do cartwheels in celebration here when XIV loses 5K during lulls. They ARE desparate - LOL!

[Clockworks]

Lost Ark, a relatively new game, already chased away 99% of it's playerbase. People do cartwheels in celebration here when XIV loses 5K during lulls. They ARE desparate - LOL!

I didnt know over 600k players was close to 5k, but I am glad to learn something new every day.

Also lol @ doing cartwheels, people can make fun of it, and if anything they probably should, because the game is heading that way (down,down and more down), because of its own community and the constant toxic positivity. I always said it, the community itself will be this game's downfall.

The forums might be outlier because it allows -some- negativity in regards to the game (despite the usual people always defending it), but every other platform is pretty much an echo chamber of toxic positivity towards the game, and if you dare have a negative opinion, you get trashed to the ground and called a hater amongst other nice terms.

Oh please they lie in wait to complain here about anything and everything. Then they make weird comments like "Why are people who like the game around for new announcements?" as though only complaining is permissible.

I'm really unsure what you mean by "why are people who like the game for around for new announcements" ?

[ZephyrMenodora]

The forums might be outlier because it allows -some- negativity in regards to the game (despite the usual people always defending it), but every other platform is pretty much an echo chamber of toxic positivity towards the game, and if you dare have a negative opinion, you get trashed to the ground and called a hater amongst other nice terms.

As they should (allow some criticism). Echo chambers don't help a game improve - especially ones like XIV that could use improvement these days. DT was a decrease in quality IMO and we should be upset about that. Pretending it's all roses and perfect doesn't help the game have long term success. I just feel that some here go a bit too far in how much they want the game to fail rather than improve.

I also find echo chambers boring. Having so many I disagree with here keeps things interesting. If no one at all on these forums liked the game enough to defend it, I have a feeling some posters would also leave as the forums would be boring in the other direction.

[DendrielConcade]

Try not to get upset, fanboy, that a F2P game catered to whales with shitty P2W elements and no-life-inducing grind still has better combat and raids than the sub-based FF14.

Who knows how much worse it will get if this game turns F2P lmfao

They even offer free story skips because they know their story is dogshit.

What about FF14? You can't skip all the dogshit story and have to grind through them.

Ok guy who is still probably paying for his Sub in the game if he's still posting in the Forums, unless they just let you retain the stuff even after you've been disillusioned with the game. It really isn't that hard to just stop playing man, if you don't like it, leave it behind if you got through everything to find it to be horrid. Something obviously had you sticking to this game long enough if you're here and probably bought through all the expansions too, yet here we are. You aren't going to change anything by being snarky everywhere, unless that's your goal then I guess good luck on the uphill battle.

Yeah because FFXIV is doing oh so great right now, we had a peak for DT at 1.4 millions and we are as of right now probably at about ~~800k (if even that) considering the last census was at 1 mil back months ago WITH THE FREE TRIAL taken into account.

That's over a 600k players loss at MINIMUM, laugh all you want, that's exactly where FFXIV is heading at this pace, and yall defending a multi billion company is not going to save the company, you will make it keep sinking even deeper until its unredeemable.

Yes lets not credit the multiple expansions that came before the palpable disappointment of DT, only pay attention to the bad now that ruins the everything before. If the Devs ruin this game then its unfortunate for me but enough people have been screaming at them to change stuff partially even me because its horrid how it is, but nothing of value comes from your mouth it seems by not wanting F2P, or Sub so what do you want? There isn't a realistic option for the game atm to just, change its monetization. WE can only have the chance to change things if we're loud enough, just hope the Devs aren't terribly stubborn and ignore everyone about the issues, then they'll just be eroding the floorboards from under their feet when the numbers hemorrhage even harder till it gives way.

[Red-thunder]

Ok guy who is still probably paying for his Sub in the game if he's still posting in the Forums, unless they just let you retain the stuff even after you've been disillusioned with the game. It really isn't that hard to just stop playing man, if you don't like it, leave it behind if you got through everything to find it to be horrid. Something obviously had you sticking to this game long enough if you're here and probably bought through all the expansions too, yet here we are. You aren't going to change anything by being snarky everywhere, unless that's your goal then I guess good luck on the uphill battle.

LMAO FF14 players don't realize 80% of the people around them are just RMT bots and ERP. Seriously 80% with a sub don't play this game. Even if they want to there's nothing to play.

Once you ignore the RMT bots and people who have a sub just to ERP there are like maybe 70k people actually playing.

[DendrielConcade]

LMAO FF14 players don't realize 80% of the people around them are just RMT bots and ERP. Seriously 80% with a sub don't play this game. Even if they want to there's nothing to play.

Once you ignore the RMT bots and people who have a sub just to ERP there are like maybe 70k people actually playing.

I really don't understand what you're trying to get across here. So what if people are using it to get their rocks off, why is it your business? I couldn't give a damn about how you use your Sub In-Game so why care about others? Even still, why care if they are? At least they're enjoying the game than you prattling about on the forums complaining endlessly against a game you hate and against the players that exist. Just quit man, go off and entertain Indie Games or something and use whatever money you would've spent on this game and towards Square on Small Devs needing the boost to make better projects. You aren't going to change a thing like this that's for damn sure.

So do you want FFXIV to be a monthly sub or not? Will you still be funding it no matter what anyways even if you truly despise it?

[Carin-Eri]

TBH even with all the issues regarding hats I'd still prefer subs over F2P hell days like MMO by Nexon when I played when I couldn't afford better games as a kid. I'm glad we don't have gacha boxes and I'll be glad until the end of time since they really tank the MMO reputation like no other.

This.

As I tried to put across in my earlier post (albeit rather badly), gatcha boxes are an absolute cancer in my opinion. So many horror stories online regarding gambling addiction associated with them. Not to mention the game's sleazy attempts at claiming they're not gambling - rubbish like "you're not actually buying a (loot)box, you're actually buying a method of opening a box".

Hell - I spent more on them than I care admit in the game I used to play before I realised that the game itself wasn't really producing any new content to actually play because it was too busy producing new lootboxes for players to throw money at. And what the heck is the point of spending stupid amounts of money trying to obtain the new shiny grand-prize P2W thing when there is no new content to actually use it in?

[CalvinDescoles]

I asked the question more in terms of whether a monthly subscription model is still justified rather than suggesting the game should go free-to-play. I understand all the arguments against F2P, and I do think they hold merit to some extent.

The issue is that I no longer feel like I'm getting my money’s worth from the game, nor do I feel that my subscription meaningfully contributes to improving it. At this point, the only thing I’m paying for is FOMO. For a game that claims you can "drop off" and explore other things, it ironically relies heavily on FOMO, while delivering less and less QoL improvements or meaningful content updates.

I'll refrain from continuing the debate over pointless comparisons, though.

[genuine_stranger]

I think we should change to a daily sub. This would allow us to only pay when we are actually playing the game. 10 bucks for 24 hours of amazing gameplay is fair.
Expansions should only include the "base" x.0 content, patch content should have to be bought individually.

A payment whenever we want to open an instance is also a great way to cover the costs of server maintenance, so for example when you queue for a dungeon you have to pay extra.
Maybe they can repackage the quests and storylines as "story packs" that you have to buy individually too. That would allow us to customize our experiences further.

I also think they should expand the Online store by including ALL rewards for content in the game and also put the store inside the game, so purchases can be made easier. On top of that, there should be more exclusive content in the store.

And of course there is housing, i think it would benefit us all a lot if we have to actually pay real money to cover the rent of our houses and apartments. More plots will be available.
A monthly fee to be in an FC also sounds reasonable to me, it would ensure that people are more committed to their groups.

I think these changes overall would improve our relationship to the hardworking devs and most importantly to the amazing company that is Square Enix.

You, Sire, are truly one of the most enlightened XIV players I’ve ever had the pleasure of encountering.

A daily sub would not only teach players financial responsibility but also help them carefully plan their entertainment budget for maximum fun-per-dollar (FPD) spent. Imagine the sheer life lessons we’d all gain!

And, of course, it all comes full circle when Yoshi-P reminds us to take "important breaks" from the game. Truly a feature, not a flaw.

An absolutely brilliant idea. We must ensure this gets brought up in the next Live Letter Q&A.

(Jokes aside, or maybe not, lately it really does feel like CS3 pulls feedback straight from r/ShitpostXIV and runs with it.)

[Astronis]

For a game that claims you can "drop off" and explore other things, it ironically relies heavily on FOMO,

Other than the seasonal PVP stuff (which I hear is finally going to be added back in) and the short holiday quests (which I believe are done that way for this very reason--and not the rewards for them, just the quests themselves), what do you fear missing out on? I, personally, wouldn't call that relying "heavily" on FOMO, though there's some. And the PVP stuff, you could drop your sub for four to six months and come back and get it shortly before it's phased out.