Sometimes its a good thing to have "toxicity" and other negative traits

[Sekundessounet]

We should ask SE to open a "therapy" tab in the forums because goddamn some of you need to take a step back.

The toxicity advocated here is just a communication skill issue compensated by over-the-top cynicism. These forums aren't helping your mental health, please seek actual help. Or try to say that to another person in real life and see how it pans out.

[TBerry]

Look before you get started, yell, "Oh no, that's wrong. You should be nice at all times." I'm sorry, but that's wrong. I'm not approving of cruelty without purpose, but sometimes there is purpose in "toxic" or negative actions and words, whether you like it or not. It's a cold truth of the world.

I'm sorry but there are certain types of players that people shouldn't "yell" you're being toxic about, tanks entering dungeons with full mage gear in places over 50, no mits nothing when I'm sorry the game teaches you that through their quest/ novice hall there is 0 excuse for it past level 45 honestly. The same goes for healers not using Esuna anytime they can and only poping cure 1, and dps standing in EVERY AOE. This isn't saying oh you failed x mecha you bad get out nonsense, this is about average trash in the dungeon or alliance raid, etc getting them with common sense avoids that they should have known after level 30 max.

There is being kind and then pushing it too far, sometimes being all goody-toe shoes is doing more damage than someone saying a negative remark are calling out let's face flat-out stupidity. This leads to a zest pool of ever-growing stupidity, and yes I know you humans enjoy that and make jokes while you're no different but enough is enough. We have gotten to a point where the community would scream toxic if the guy was standing in the middle of the road and a person screamed to get the hell out of the road moron. It's not good for the game, and it's not good for the person if people arent toxic towards them they will never learn from these things that there is zero excuse for, there is a huge difference between entering "new" to a fight and not understanding a bosses fight and abilities/how to avoid those "new" abilities and someone who can't even avoid or do anything to trash mobs. We need a form of "natural" selection within the game to breed out the difference between bots/stupidity and people who have a real excuse of not understanding that can be trained to understand the fights. That is why we need Toxicity to be okay within reason to breed out that difference.

and yes it may not be stupidty which leads to why everyone can be every job on the same character is good on paper, but horrible in action
people are leveling these jobs just to level them, rather they enjoy the job or not the issue with that is if you don't care about the job itself YOU SHOULDNT TOUCH THAT JOB period, because your not going to care enough to bother learning that job fully

Let me translate that:
"I got reported, and it's everyone else at fault."

[NaoSen]

The FF TOS protect people who definitely need to be called out.
Last night I was passing through limsa and I saw someone telling a bard how they should practice "rope art", they full well knew the context of what they were saying was telling the person to go hang themselves but at the same time being able to 100% deny it if reported and not get in trouble.
In roulettes it's against the terms to tell a person what they doing is wrong so you have to suffer through this, "If you want you can use your mitigations, you have less chance of dying if the healer can't keep up" as opposed to "Use your mitigations"
If a person got angry with what was going on in a dungeon and left, well they just broke the terms too since rage quitting a dungeon is also against TOS.

The people who get the most protection in this game are the ones that are insufferable, psychotic or deranged, this game is the ideal place to be a griefer, walking the line and giving others a miserable time while being completely immune to any form at all of backlash since the other person knows if they give a griefer a piece of their mind they can just be reported and eat a ban. FF has always and will always be this way, SE take the approach of "If you don't see it, it's not there".

[Zakuyia]

Let me translate that:
"I got reported, and it's everyone else at fault."

I thankyou for the TLDR

[Connor]

Frankly I can’t tell if this is an elaborate trolling attempt utilising a niche subculture identity (gothy vampire fan) to bait and goad people with so-called ‘controversial’ opinions. Feels like the entire purpose of the thread is to try and cause arguments (it has done poorly tbh).

Alternatively I guess maybe severe mental illness, though it seems morally reprehensible to comment any further on such a thing.

Plus the whole ‘gothy vampire werewolf groupie with edgy dark opinions’ is not only extremely generic (first port of call for the ‘I’m not like the other people’ types lol) but it’s fairly outdated these days, Twilight was a while ago now lol

[Nero-Voidstails]

The FF TOS protect people who definitely need to be called out.
Last night I was passing through limsa and I saw someone telling a bard how they should practice "rope art", they full well knew the context of what they were saying was telling the person to go hang themselves but at the same time being able to 100% deny it if reported and not get in trouble.
In roulettes it's against the terms to tell a person what they doing is wrong so you have to suffer through this, "If you want you can use your mitigations, you have less chance of dying if the healer can't keep up" as opposed to "Use your mitigations"
If a person got angry with what was going on in a dungeon and left, well they just broke the terms too since rage quitting a dungeon is also against TOS.

The people who get the most protection in this game are the ones that are insufferable, psychotic or deranged, this game is the ideal place to be a griefer, walking the line and giving others a miserable time while being completely immune to any form at all of backlash since the other person knows if they give a griefer a piece of their mind they can just be reported and eat a ban. FF has always and will always be this way, SE take the approach of "If you don't see it, it's not there".

that's where I think TOS have problem.it isn't used for people who need it but just to make sure other get banned t the slight offence

[sindriiisgaming]

Look before you get started, yell, "Oh no, that's wrong. You should be nice at all times." I'm sorry, but that's wrong. I'm not approving of cruelty without purpose, but sometimes there is purpose in "toxic" or negative actions and words, whether you like it or not. It's a cold truth of the world.

I'm sorry but there are certain types of players that people shouldn't "yell" you're being toxic about, tanks entering dungeons with full mage gear in places over 50, no mits nothing when I'm sorry the game teaches you that through their quest/ novice hall there is 0 excuse for it past level 45 honestly. The same goes for healers not using Esuna anytime they can and only poping cure 1, and dps standing in EVERY AOE. This isn't saying oh you failed x mecha you bad get out nonsense, this is about average trash in the dungeon or alliance raid, etc getting them with common sense avoids that they should have known after level 30 max.

There is being kind and then pushing it too far, sometimes being all goody-toe shoes is doing more damage than someone saying a negative remark are calling out let's face flat-out stupidity. This leads to a zest pool of ever-growing stupidity, and yes I know you humans enjoy that and make jokes while you're no different but enough is enough. We have gotten to a point where the community would scream toxic if the guy was standing in the middle of the road and a person screamed to get the hell out of the road moron. It's not good for the game, and it's not good for the person if people arent toxic towards them they will never learn from these things that there is zero excuse for, there is a huge difference between entering "new" to a fight and not understanding a bosses fight and abilities/how to avoid those "new" abilities and someone who can't even avoid or do anything to trash mobs. We need a form of "natural" selection within the game to breed out the difference between bots/stupidity and people who have a real excuse of not understanding that can be trained to understand the fights. That is why we need Toxicity to be okay within reason to breed out that difference.

and yes it may not be stupidty which leads to why everyone can be every job on the same character is good on paper, but horrible in action
people are leveling these jobs just to level them, rather they enjoy the job or not the issue with that is if you don't care about the job itself YOU SHOULDNT TOUCH THAT JOB period, because your not going to care enough to bother learning that job fully

literally what did i just read... this is completely wild

[AvoSturmfaust]

Let me tell you something, Square enix doesnt really care and even if people report you, the possiblity that square is doing something is like 1%, people reporting me ingame atleast 5x a day, i tell people without worrying about anything if they are shit, and i tell people the dmg is shit, nothing happend so far and it will nothing happen, so just start to be toxic dont let these player waste your time

[Red-thunder]

Frankly I can’t tell if this is an elaborate trolling attempt utilising a niche subculture identity (gothy vampire fan) to bait and goad people with so-called ‘controversial’ opinions. Feels like the entire purpose of the thread is to try and cause arguments (it has done poorly tbh).

Alternatively I guess maybe severe mental illness, though it seems morally reprehensible to comment any further on such a thing.

Plus the whole ‘gothy vampire werewolf groupie with edgy dark opinions’ is not only extremely generic (first port of call for the ‘I’m not like the other people’ types lol) but it’s fairly outdated these days, Twilight was a while ago now lol

You didn't see her posting her actual address and posting pictures of her in a cage with a piece of paper with a timestamp and her name and saying "screw [forum member]" when she was arguing with someone.

I don't think it's 100% real though. Some of it is definitely made up. Just not sure what is made up and what isn't. The fact there's even a cage with a mattress inside with pillows is already weird enough that anything might be possible.

[Red-thunder]

https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/432373269/#432381353

Oh yeah, for anyone who wants a quick trip down memory lane. My bud laughed so hard he pulled a tendon that day