I feel like Plenary Indulgence should be a trait

[Connor]

I feel like Plenary Indulgence is fine as it is personally. I wouldn’t want it to be a trait because we’d ultimate just end up with no control over it whatsoever.

(also what's with the weird name for it?!)

As with the majority of White Mage’s abilities it’s named after (generally catholic) religious ‘stuff’. Like Benediction, Plenary Indulgence, Afflatus, Rapture (two separate things religiously), Tetragrammaton (Four letter name of god) lol.

Why a magical light healer from another world has so many references to a religion that doesn’t exist in their world is another question entirely lol (along with Scholar’s 1-50 toolkit sounding more like the skills a Priest would use than a Tactician lol)

[Azurarok]

As with the majority of White Mage’s abilities it’s named after (generally catholic) religious ‘stuff’. Like Benediction, Plenary Indulgence, Afflatus, Rapture (two separate things religiously), Tetragrammaton (Four letter name of god) lol.

Why a magical light healer from another world has so many references to a religion that doesn’t exist in their world is another question entirely lol (along with Scholar’s 1-50 toolkit sounding more like the skills a Priest would use than a Tactician lol)

It's Indulgentia in JP. Not sure if I like that or Plenary Indulgence more tbh. WHM's skill names sorta fit Gridania's religious respect to nature at least.

Meanwhile SCH's Lustrate is Revitalize and Sacred Soil is Combat Treatment Circle (like a medical tent). I think the rest of its 1-50 skill names are closer and fit the tactician/field medic theme fine though

[Connor]

It's Indulgentia in JP. Not sure if I like that or Plenary Indulgence more tbh. WHM's skill names sorta fit Gridania's religious respect to nature at least.

Meanwhile SCH's Lustrate is Revitalize and Sacred Soil is Combat Treatment Circle (like a medical tent). I think the rest of its 1-50 skill names are closer and fit the tactician/field medic theme fine though

Yeah I’ve seen some past posts about translations of SCH abilities (I think Broil was something like Demon Flame?) but not as much for WHM. Honestly I like how Combat Treatment Circle sounds more than Sacred Soil lol. Even if it is a bit literal.

And yeah, for White Mage as well it’s probably worth mentioning that Amdapor was (from the ruins we’ve seen) fairly different from Gridania in terms of how they worked with the elementals. So while it might seem weird that the jelly baby tree worshippers (their sprites make me think of sweets idk lol) have all this catholic religious stuff, it might not have been so weird in the context of Amdapor. Though that’s going way off topic lol.

[Selvokaz]

Supposed we actually turned PI into a passive trait. What would we get in return?

me personally having a freed hotbar slot or button slot is more than enough but i really think healers should start expanding on their offensive options, really the game could be called, Damage vs Healing, its the only two aspects that should matter the most, yes tanks feel secure in their role as they have the most hp and the most self sustaining damage mitigation and healing outside of a healer, that works that makes sense, so for WHM this is just one more slot opening up to give them a new offensive button, and if the entire system for all roles isnt tweaked along these lines in 8.0 ill be surprised as hell.

[Carighan]

Supposed we actually turned PI into a passive trait. What would we get in return?

Nothing, assuming the passive trait wouldn't screw us over.

That's the one benefit I could actually see from doing this (PI is one of the few really-well-designed healer abilities after all), hotbar decluttering. FFXIV just has too much guff on its hotbars comparing ~any other game, to the point where most designs fall apart at all edges.

Should of course not fix it by removing PI, since like I said, one of the few well-designed abilities. Can take ~anything else that isn't a GCD in the White Mage kit and cut it, first.

[Catastrophe573]

I agree that PI is a good example of a well designed skill, but I also agree that it could be cut just for hotbar bloat.

I've only ever used the skill for Valigarmanda EX and Shadowcaster in criterion. I don't feel like WHM ever says "I wish that heal had more potency". First you need to be in a situation where you're planning (planning!) on casting 2-3 GCD heals in a row. And that is never in dungeon or trials, very rare in extremes, but potentially critical in savage and criterion. Actually I take back what I said about PI being good design. If it was good then it wouldn't be so rarely useful.

[Supersnow845]

I agree that PI is a good example of a well designed skill, but I also agree that it could be cut just for hotbar bloat.

I've only ever used the skill for Valigarmanda EX and Shadowcaster in criterion. I don't feel like WHM ever says "I wish that heal had more potency". First you need to be in a situation where you're planning (planning!) on casting 2-3 GCD heals in a row. And that is never in dungeon or trials, very rare in extremes, but potentially critical in savage and criterion. Actually I take back what I said about PI being good design. If it was good then it wouldn't be so rarely useful.

A skill being situationally useful doesn’t make it bad design

14 healing is just badly designed per actually helping WHM’s strengths

[CaptainLagbeard]

A skill being situationally useful doesn’t make it bad design

14 healing is just badly designed per actually helping WHM’s strengths

The main "strength" of WHM is the sheer amounts of healing they can put out, but at the same time there's really nothing out there that needs all that healing...

[Chajii]

The main "strength" of WHM is the sheer amounts of healing they can put out, but at the same time there's really nothing out there that needs all that healing...

It is always fun to spend all that healing to save the group when an alliance raid goes south, in some extreme situations only WHM could keep up the healing while recovering.